Why can’t police admit when they are wrong?

[kingjason]

And then you add in the extra perks like a company car, medical, dental, vacation pay and (if the city doesn't go bankrupt) huge ass pensions

No company car, medical is fair with big deductibles, vacation is pretty decent not going to lie. Now on to the pension. I pay a shitload into that fund and SS so I should get it when I get out. If I retire at 20 years it's not exactly a windfall of money. Plus I doubt sixty percent of cops make it to retirement. I have seen so much turnover over the years its ridiculous. Guess how much the city pays if you don't reach twenty to twenty five years and have to pull your money? 0, nada, just the interest you earned on your money over the years. If all my shit is paid off when I hit 20 I could probably squeeze by, but no way its a lot of money. Now if I could survive all the bullshit for 35 years it would be a very healthy retirement. The benefits kind of offset the fair pay but not really. The best part about this job is the hours in patrol. We work 12's and I am generally off 7 days every two weeks. It is a lot of hours when you are here but fuck it. If I have to put the uniform on I might as well work another four hours. Many times I have considered going back into retail/sales to make an ass load of money and not put up with the bullshit. This job carries an ass load of liability and desensitizes you to a lot of shit. PTSD if that's what you want to call it. I still enjoy helping people and doing my thing everyday but some days I just think fuck it, why deal with the drama.

[kingjason]

chooo$$$

http://www.texastribune.org/library/...davis/1331232/

Ft Worth is not the norm. My city starts at 41k, Lancaster, Cedar Hill and Desoto around 46k I think. Top out in L Town was 53k unless you moved up in the ranks. SGt's 60's, LT's 80's and chief varied in the 125k range. Not a lot of admin spots either so you usually had to wait for a little attrition to get one. Fucking chooo chooo money right! Not terrible but not going to be rolling in the dough either.

[Forever_frost]

No company car, medical is fair with big deductibles, vacation is pretty decent not going to lie. Now on to the pension. I pay a shitload into that fund and SS so I should get it when I get out. If I retire at 20 years it's not exactly a windfall of money. Plus I doubt sixty percent of cops make it to retirement. I have seen so much turnover over the years its ridiculous. Guess how much the city pays if you don't reach twenty to twenty five years and have to pull your money? 0, nada, just the interest you earned on your money over the years. If all my shit is paid off when I hit 20 I could probably squeeze by, but no way its a lot of money. Now if I could survive all the bullshit for 35 years it would be a very healthy retirement. The benefits kind of offset the fair pay but not really. The best part about this job is the hours in patrol. We work 12's and I am generally off 7 days every two weeks. It is a lot of hours when you are here but fuck it. If I have to put the uniform on I might as well work another four hours. Many times I have considered going back into retail/sales to make an ass load of money and not put up with the bullshit. This job carries an ass load of liability and desensitizes you to a lot of shit. PTSD if that's what you want to call it. I still enjoy helping people and doing my thing everyday but some days I just think fuck it, why deal with the drama.

Matt disagrees. He said your pension is choo choo money. And you don't take the cruiser home? The fuel in it isn't taxpayer paid? Maintenance isn't provided? Wearing that badge and the ability to fuck with people with courts trusting your word over any other citizen, even if there is a video showing you wrong, is a hell of a benefit.

As is being able to open carry, even off duty.

[talisman]

Many times I have considered going back into retail/sales to make an ass load of money and not put up with the bullshit. This job carries an ass load of liability and desensitizes you to a lot of shit. PTSD if that's what you want to call it. I still enjoy helping people and doing my thing everyday but some days I just think fuck it, why deal with the drama.

lol, everything you said after the bolded part describes retail sales these days to a T. Everyone is so hyper sensitive about employees not fucking up they're busy trying to turn them into goddamned robots. Small issues get so far blown out of proportion that employees are terrified to make decisions for themselves, which means you're denying people the capability to eventually become effective managers if they even manage to figure out a way to put up with the company and the self important dipshit superiors for more than a year. I would never recommend anyone get into retail.

[thesource]

And then you add in the extra perks like a company car, medical, dental, vacation pay and (if the city doesn't go bankrupt) huge ass pensions

SAPD benefits are fucking killing the city budget. The city council moved to force them to merely pay in the same for coverage as other city employees and they are raising hell about it.

[kingjason]

lol, everything you said after the bolded part describes retail sales these days to a T. Everyone is so hyper sensitive about employees not fucking up they're busy trying to turn them into goddamned robots. Small issues get so far blown out of proportion that employees are terrified to make decisions for themselves, which means you're denying people the capability to eventually become effective managers if they even manage to figure out a way to put up with the company and the self important dipshit superiors for more than a year. I would never recommend anyone get into retail.

I worked retail and sales for 12 years or so. I get that. Still not everyone trying to sue you, chance for violence is definitely not there everyday, etc. I loved sales and my old boss still calls me all of the time. Just wasn't a lot of money being second in command or i would still be there.

Dammit Frost my squad is not exactly a take home company car. Did your guys have to buy their tanks and fuel? Most departments do not let their guys take home their cars. CID and Administrative maybe but CID has response times and are subject to call out at all hours. They need their equip and to be able to get to the crime scene fast. Usually a mileage radius limit on that also.

[talisman]

I worked retail and sales for 12 years or so. I get that. Still not everyone trying to sue you, chance for violence is definitely not there everyday, etc. I loved sales and my old boss still calls me all of the time. Just wasn't a lot of money being second in command or i would still be there.

Can depend on where you are, but people threaten to sue all the time, (and my store was actually sued at one point, I had to go mediate it in court) and I've been physically threatened more times than I can even remember, on the phone and in person. You're right though that it isn't an every day thing.

[Tannerm]

I worked retail and sales for 12 years or so. I get that. Still not everyone trying to sue you, chance for violence is definitely not there everyday, etc. I loved sales and my old boss still calls me all of the time. Just wasn't a lot of money being second in command or i would still be there.

Dammit Frost my squad is not exactly a take home company car. Did your guys have to buy their tanks and fuel? Most departments do not let their guys take home their cars. CID and Administrative maybe but CID has response times and are subject to call out at all hours. They need their equip and to be able to get to the crime scene fast. Usually a mileage radius limit on that also.

Dido... Two cities I've worked for and we didn't have take homes. Troopers do about 80% of the time along with selective po-dunk county boys who BOUGHT there cruiser themselves... As for the salaries, u gotta goto like page 90 to get to patrol. The 85-90% of the dept.

[Forever_frost]

I worked retail and sales for 12 years or so. I get that. Still not everyone trying to sue you, chance for violence is definitely not there everyday, etc. I loved sales and my old boss still calls me all of the time. Just wasn't a lot of money being second in command or i would still be there.

Dammit Frost my squad is not exactly a take home company car. Did your guys have to buy their tanks and fuel? Most departments do not let their guys take home their cars. CID and Administrative maybe but CID has response times and are subject to call out at all hours. They need their equip and to be able to get to the crime scene fast. Usually a mileage radius limit on that also.

No, but then again, I was a dismount in a war zone and we weren't able to take said Bradleys and tanks home with us or drive it down the highway while shaving and playing on our phones. Are you saying police have as strict rules on use of their vehicles as we did? Hell, I can provide not only news reports but personal experiences with cops who (after getting fired from 4 different PD's) got drunk and ran his squad up a light pole.

So departments don't let their guys take home their cars? How does it happen you see cops out of uniform, with the uniform in the back window, flying down the highway weaving out of traffic far over the speed limit, drinking coffee and playing with their phone?

[lowthreeohz]

Jim he's right, most departments have pool cars, and their squad is parked on the lot when they're off shift otherwise. Like he said CID and swat get take homes BC of response times, and often times patrol guys are part of the swat team which is why you see a 'ragular patrol officer' with a car at his home or the like.

Pardon the brevity, posting from my phone

[kingjason]

No, but then again, I was a dismount in a war zone and we weren't able to take said Bradleys and tanks home with us or drive it down the highway while shaving and playing on our phones. Are you saying police have as strict rules on use of their vehicles as we did? Hell, I can provide not only news reports but personal experiences with cops who (after getting fired from 4 different PD's) got drunk and ran his squad up a light pole.

So departments don't let their guys take home their cars? How does it happen you see cops out of uniform, with the uniform in the back window, flying down the highway weaving out of traffic far over the speed limit, drinking coffee and playing with their phone?

HAHA I call bullshit on this. I bet there are quite a few shenanigans going on in tanks. I am positive I saw one on here somewhere running over a car. You just cant give a guy a toy like that and not expect a little chaos every now and again.

[svauto-erotic855]

I let my guys take my trucks home with them and I don't care if they unload them and use them for personal stuff either. Don't really have a problem with officers taking their patrol cars home with them. Having them parked in a residential neighborhood is a cheap way to keep people who are up to no good away.

[Forever_frost]

HAHA I call bullshit on this. I bet there are quite a few shenanigans going on in tanks. I am positive I saw one on here somewhere running over a car. You just cant give a guy a toy like that and not expect a little chaos every now and again.

In the field we did have a pair of bradleys do a joust and lose all the rucksacks off the sides. We spent 4 days hunting down every bit of it because some idiot put his NVG's in his ruck. If those are on the highway, they're part of a convoy which means safety briefings, at least 3 people in the vehicle and if anything happens, anything at all, someone's getting a payout. No "I didn't see the car" or "I was blasting through a redlight and someone didn't see my awesomeness and I hit them." Nope, you have an accident in those vehicles, you're getting hammered.

That said, someone remind me in about an hour to post up a picture of a HWMV that I flipped on it's side during an air assault mission.