The People vs. Meter Maids. (not really an FTP thread for those who are menstruating)

[03trubluGT]

People abusing and harassing someone else just isn't funny to me. The meter maids are just doing a job, theres no point in making their life hell - they didn't write the law or city policy.

Someone just figured out how to be an asshole and do it under the guise of a "protest"/

If it were in Texas, the local Po-po could just write them citations for:

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;

The first time they get a ticket. If the conduct continues, cash bond them (take them to jail) for any subsequent offense. I'd bet they stop.

[Forever_frost]

If it were in Texas, the local Po-po could just write them citations for:

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;

The first time they get a ticket. If the conduct continues, cash bond them (take them to jail) for any subsequent offense. I'd bet the stop.

Does that apply to cops acting obnoxious as well?

[03trubluGT]

Does that apply to cops acting obnoxious as well?

Here we go again.....

[03trubluGT]

Has anyone been assaulted? No. Have these meter maid's vehicles been set on fire? Nope. Do people give them a hard time? Of course.

It isn't your right to "give someone a hard time". Period.

What events led up to this? Let's count:

Traffic 'enforcement' that is there (WTF??) to write tickets but still take 40 minutes to respond to an emergency.

Real emergencies (Priority 1 response) don't take 40 minutes. Just because you get a hang nail and call 911, it doesn't mean that your "emergency" is classified as such.

Traffic cameras that violate the 4th amendment as you cannot face your accuser.

So any and all video is now non-admissable? So now since someone can't face the video recorder at the local stop-and-rob, no video taken is able to be shown in court?

Municipal fees and tolls to use roads the taxpayers paid for at least twice for the privilege of using them.

Depending on the road, I'm kinda with you on this one.

Property taxes that increase yearly

My property taxes have fluctuated and yes, they have gone down before.

Permits to do anything to your property unless you live out in the sticks like I do.

That's for the good of your neighbors, too. I don't want someone building something onto their house that isn't code and is a hazard to MY property.

Every law enforcement agency in the US having at least one SWAT and armored vehicles and full auto weapons while decrying Americans having the same.

WRONG! Are you telling me that every one of the over 30,000 law enforcement entities in the country has a SWAT and armored vehicle? Hahahahahahahaahaaaaa!

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=71

About half of local police departments employed fewer than 10 sworn personnel, and about three-fourths served a population of less than 10,000.

So are you trying to say that all of those departments with fewer than 10 sworn officers have a SWAT team? Puh-lease!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laws that apply to Americans but not to law enforcement. IF I park in a no parking zone, I get ticketed or towed. Cop does it to take a nap or catch up on paperwork, nothing happens.

Emergency vehicles are exempt. Get over it.

[Forever_frost]

Here we go again.....

Yep, violation of equal protection clause as police are not bound to the laws they enforce.

[Forever_frost]

It isn't your right to "give someone a hard time". Period.



Real emergencies (Priority 1 response) don't take 40 minutes. Just because you get a hang nail and call 911, it doesn't mean that your "emergency" is classified as such.



So any and all video is now non-admissable? So now since someone can't face the video recorder at the local stop-and-rob, no video taken is able to be shown in court?



Depending on the road, I'm kinda with you on this one.



My property taxes have fluctuated and yes, they have gone down before.



That's for the good of your neighbors, too. I don't want someone building something onto their house that isn't code and is a hazard to MY property.



WRONG! Are you telling me that every one of the over 30,000 law enforcement entities in the country has a SWAT and armored vehicle? Hahahahahahahaahaaaaa!

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=71

About half of local police departments employed fewer than 10 sworn personnel, and about three-fourths served a population of less than 10,000.

So are you trying to say that all of those departments with fewer than 10 sworn officers have a SWAT team? Puh-lease!!!!!!!!!!!!



Emergency vehicles are exempt. Get over it.

1. Is my right to say whatever I like. My right to free speech only stops if I harm someone. As long as I'm not punching you in the face, I can tell you to go fuck yourself porky. Perfectly constitutional. Your hurt feelings aren't my problem.

2. Would you like me to start putting up reports of cops taking between 30 minutes and never arriving? I can do that if you like.

3. If it's only video evidence used to convict? Sorry, not enough. Jury nullifcation comes in handy.

4. Once again, if it is a hazard to anyone outside of your property, perhaps I can see a city issue. If it's inside my house, why does it concern anyone that I put in a new bathroom? Or a waterfall? Or a treadmill to launch Predator drones off of?

5. Again, would you like reports of police agencies getting APC's and full auto weapons? Or perhaps the cops in Louisiana that got a 240B for their boat? Seriously, if you'd like to have this discussion, why do cops need MRAPS? Plan on doing any convoys through Afghanistan there officer Smiley? Thinking you'll hit an IED on the way to go serve a warrant for the NTTA at the wrong house?

Let's dance Snowball.

[03trubluGT]

1. Is my right to say whatever I like. My right to free speech only stops if I harm someone. As long as I'm not punching you in the face, I can tell you to go fuck yourself porky. Perfectly constitutional. Your hurt feelings aren't my problem.

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;

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2. Would you like me to start putting up reports of cops taking between 30 minutes and never arriving? I can do that if you like.

Well, the parameter you set was 40 minutes for an "emergency". We can semantics "emergency" to death, but it must meet protocol for a priority 1 response.

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3. If it's only video evidence used to convict? Sorry, not enough. Jury nullifcation comes in handy.

What about video evidence when the store is closed and there were no workers to witness the burglary and corroborate the video?

Ooooooh, Trublu 3 - Frosty 0

4. Once again, if it is a hazard to anyone outside of your property, perhaps I can see a city issue. If it's inside my house, why does it concern anyone that I put in a new bathroom? Or a waterfall? Or a treadmill to launch Predator drones off of?

You do realize that I didn't argue this point, right????

5. Again, would you like reports of police agencies getting APC's and full auto weapons? Or perhaps the cops in Louisiana that got a 240B for their boat? Seriously, if you'd like to have this discussion, why do cops need MRAPS? Plan on doing any convoys through Afghanistan there officer Smiley? Thinking you'll hit an IED on the way to go serve a warrant for the NTTA at the wrong house?

You said that "every law enforcement agency in the US has SWAT and armored vehicle".

You are dead wrong but you'll never admit it.

You also said "Every law enforcement agency in the US having ....... and full auto weapons while decrying Americans having the same.

Wrong again. The police don't deny anyone from having full auto or suppressors, the ATF has rules for those. Hell, I know of board members that have them and haven't been arrested once. How is that Frosty???? And what is "decrying"???

So, Trublu 18 - Frosty 0

Let's dance Snowball.

Looks like your dance card got trumped.

[Chili]

I think Jluv has the right idea, but in regards to this:

4. Once again, if it is a hazard to anyone outside of your property, perhaps I can see a city issue. If it's inside my house, why does it concern anyone that I put in a new bathroom? Or a waterfall? Or a treadmill to launch Predator drones off of?

Since when do you need a permit when doing the work yourself? We have done all sorts of things inside, on our own, without a permit. I think you only need a permit and inspections when you are paying someone else to do it, and I can kind of understand that, because who know what kind of BS shoddy contractors might do.

[jluv]

You gonna get yo dance card trumped, foo! Expiration date!

[Forever_frost]

I think Jluv has the right idea, but in regards to this:



Since when do you need a permit when doing the work yourself? We have done all sorts of things inside, on our own, without a permit. I think you only need a permit and inspections when you are paying someone else to do it, and I can kind of understand that, because who know what kind of BS shoddy contractors might do.

When is a permit required?

A person, firm or corporation shall not erect, construct, enlarge, add to, alter, repair, replace, improve, remove, install, convert, equip, use, occupy or maintain a structure or building service equipment without first obtaining a MASTER PERMIT from the building official. Permit Fee Schedule

http://dallascityhall.com/building_inspection/building_inspection_faqs.html#A1

[Forever_frost]

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;

Trublu 1 - Frosty 0




Well, the parameter you set was 40 minutes for an "emergency". We can semantics "emergency" to death, but it must meet protocol for a priority 1 response.

Trublu 2 - Frosty 0



What about video evidence when the store is closed and there were no workers to witness the burglary and corroborate the video?

Ooooooh, Trublu 3 - Frosty 0



You do realize that I didn't argue this point, right????



You said that "every law enforcement agency in the US has SWAT and armored vehicle".

You are dead wrong but you'll never admit it.

You also said "Every law enforcement agency in the US having ....... and full auto weapons while decrying Americans having the same.

Wrong again. The police don't deny anyone from having full auto or suppressors, the ATF has rules for those. Hell, I know of board members that have them and haven't been arrested once. How is that Frosty???? And what is "decrying"???

So, Trublu 18 - Frosty 0




Looks like your dance card got trumped.

Thing I like about you Matt, completely oblivious. You just pointed out my point. The laws that apply to me, don't apply to you. I can be cited for being obnoxious, you doing the same shit in uniform? Won't be. I can be cited for speeding, you in uniform and in a squad, won't be.

So tell me, this is required in Collin County?

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Collin-County-City-Unveils-Tank-for-SWAT-Team-256263711.html

The City of Wylie says its police department got the bargain of the century: about $650,000 in new equipment all for free.

But their new vehicle is turning heads.

For short, it’s called an MRAP, known in the military as a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle, meant for carrying soldiers and protecting them in combat zones from missile attacks, bombs and improvised explosive devices.

“This vehicle can take us virtually anywhere,” said Sgt. Donna Valdepena, Wylie Police spokeswoman.

Initial public reaction has been mixed, but Valdepena points out the new vehicle fills a void the department can’t budget itself.

“We can’t afford to buy a SWAT vehicle for our officers,” she said. “It’s not that we’re turning into a military organization. We’re doing the best we can with free equipment.”

Valdepena said during previous SWAT-involved crises in the city, Wylie would have to call in neighboring agencies like Plano in order to help their officers safely approach using the right equipment.

According to city spokesman Craig Kelly, smaller armored SWAT vehicles can cost between $300,000 and $500,000.

Wylie was approved for a Department of Defense project through its military surplus program.

The city only bears responsibility for on-going maintenance, but tell us the military included spare tires in the grant, which will cut down on future costs significantly.

Valdepena said because the MRAP will not be used daily or even weekly, just for emergencies and community events, its wear and tear and potential cost to taxpayers will be minimal.

“It is a little bit larger, but it is going to do the job,” she said.

Wylie is also getting a Humvee vehicle this week through the same program.

[KBScobravert]

Frost, if an officer cusses you out, feel free to take steps to have him charged with disorderly conduct. My brother did and that officer got fired.

I think Jluv has the right idea, but in regards to this:



Since when do you need a permit when doing the work yourself? We have done all sorts of things inside, on our own, without a permit. I think you only need a permit and inspections when you are paying someone else to do it, and I can kind of understand that, because who know what kind of BS shoddy contractors might do.

Just to jump in real quick, I got a ticket in the great money grabbing city of Hurst for changing my hot water heater without a permit. Heater was on the curb for the bulk trash pickup day and the city code enforcement prick wrote down my address, went back to his office and checked for a permit. Came back and wrote me a ticket.

Now I live in Haslet, unincorporated city of Fort Worth. I was so gun shy about doing certain work on the house I called a dozen numbers before someone in code enforcement told me, "you are unincorporated Ft Worth, do what you want to your property, we can't get involved" Bam, like that we have a/c in the garage, new water heater, huge patio added, and tons of other work all without the blessing of the city. Moral of the story, we fight to stay unincorporated and gladly pay our HOA instead to take care of our streets etc. Fire still responds and the Sheriff's deputy patrols our streets on horseback.

[ceyko]

Yeah you'd be surprised what you need a permit for from city to city. I too am an unincorporated place.

Some future home buyer may ask for permit records too.

I'd still risk it most of the time though.

[Forever_frost]

Frost, if an officer cusses you out, feel free to take steps to have him charged with disorderly conduct. My brother did and that officer got fired.



Just to jump in real quick, I got a ticket in the great money grabbing city of Hurst for changing my hot water heater without a permit. Heater was on the curb for the bulk trash pickup day and the city code enforcement prick wrote down my address, went back to his office and checked for a permit. Came back and wrote me a ticket.

Now I live in Haslet, unincorporated city of Fort Worth. I was so gun shy about doing certain work on the house I called a dozen numbers before someone in code enforcement told me, "you are unincorporated Ft Worth, do what you want to your property, we can't get involved" Bam, like that we have a/c in the garage, new water heater, huge patio added, and tons of other work all without the blessing of the city. Moral of the story, we fight to stay unincorporated and gladly pay our HOA instead to take care of our streets etc. Fire still responds and the Sheriff's deputy patrols our streets on horseback.

Liar, we're told that doesn't happen. I look at cops cussing me the same as small children. They think they're right, they'll hurt you if you try to say anything contrary so it's usually best to file a report and to just try to end the confrontation as soon as possible as he can turn off his mic and car cam, he's armed and while he can beat the fuck out of me, if I defend myself, I'm going to prison for a very long time.

[Chili]

When is a permit required?

A person, firm or corporation shall not erect, construct, enlarge, add to, alter, repair, replace, improve, remove, install, convert, equip, use, occupy or maintain a structure or building service equipment without first obtaining a MASTER PERMIT from the building official. Permit Fee Schedule


http://dallascityhall.com/building_i...n_faqs.html#A1

Meh, that says generally.. Below that there are other references:

Under the Texas Homestead Act, Texas Plumbing License Law and Texas Mechanical License Law, a person who owns, occupies and has homesteaded the home where the work is to be performed is exempted from the requirement of having a licensed person do the work and may do any kind of plumbing or mechanical work on his/her homestead themselves. The work performed by a homeowner requires a permit (when required by Chapter 52 of the Dallas Building Code) and inspection (if required). If no permit or inspection is required, the homeowner is required to comply with the plumbing/mechanical code.