Sheriff ran air surveillance over Compton without telling residents

[Forever_frost]

I don't need your pity.

I do need you to come ride out and explain my job since you think you know it better than I do.

How long were you on active duty?

And I don't believe that your private property extends ad infinitum into outer space.

It doesn't matter what you believe. The constitution says that if you ( a police agency) want to search my property (FLIR, overflight with cameras, etc) you must go through steps like get a search warrant. How hard is this to understand?

I was on active duty long enough to retire, sucks that you weren't though but... keep at it. You may not need my pity but you have it regardless. To forget your oath, to see no problem with government spying on citizens, to see no issue with the violations of the constitution of police and other government agents because you're one of the government agents.... May history forget you were called my countryman.

[CJ-95GT]

Holy shit, SMFH.

Boy, that escalated quickly....

[VaderTT]

Boy, that escalated quickly....

It seems that happens when you're a doofus.

[CJ-95GT]

It seems that happens when you're a doofus.

True dat.

Btw, do any of you guys recall the couple having sex in their bedroom with their blinds open and were charged for indecent exposure? I forgot the circumstances but thought it was illegal if you could be seen by the public. Similarly, would it be illegal if johnny tells his dad he saw you boning his mom in the backyard swimming pool? Ya think I'm reaching on this one?

[Chili]

So the general public puts traffic cams on light poles that are 100' off the ground? What about "evidence" gathered from those?

Good question. IMO, it would depend on where the "evidence" is. Meaning, if it's video of something that occurred on the street the camera is monitoring, then that would still be public view without an expectation of privacy. If that same camera is catching action that is not generally viewable by the public, then I would consider that different.

Although, I don't know how applicable that scenario is to my statements, since the traffic cam was installed by the "general public", and not by a law enforcement agency who specifically mounted it there to enable them to see into a private area. To me, that is a notable distinction to be made.

The military uses satellite imagery, we all know this. What would be the difference? Could an officer gain intel from Google maps if it's in plain view of that imagery? If the general public can log onto Google maps and see it, why couldn't LEO use it for evidence?

The difference in my mind, is that the military is not limited in the same ways as police, specifically as it relates to probable cause, warrantless searches, etc.. I also don't think the military plays a role in gathering evidence to be used in criminal prosecution against US Citizens protected by the Constitution, but I could be wrong there as I wouldn't know that. If they are, I certainly don't think that they should. So the military analogy is completely irrelevant to my statements.

As to Google, as I mentioned above, they are not taking those images under the direction of law enforcement, with specific intent on taking the photos to be used during prosecution. I don't really have an issue with law enforcement using those images as "evidence". Flying a drone over a target property in order to collect images and / or video to be used as evidence at trial is not the same.

Hell, I don't even have a problem with law enforcement using drones in some ways (to scout a property before "entry" so they know what to expect, for example). But without a warrant, they should not expect to be able to use anything recorded on that drone as evidence, if they did not have a warrant first. I also do not think they should be able to use that video as probable cause or as the basis for obtaining the warrant.

What are your opinions on using drones to collect evidence, without a warrant? Do you feel it jives with current laws and criminal procedures?

[Chili]

And I don't believe that your private property extends ad infinitum into outer space.

So let me pose the scenario: You are on patrol and you see a house that has high fences surrounding the entire back yard. Standing in the public right of way, or sitting in your car, you cannot see into that back yard. As such, you pull out an RC Helicopter with video camera and fly it above his house, to a vantage point where you can now see into his back yard. Would you consider that plain view?

Not trying to bait you, or play captain save a talisman (I have no interest in getting in the middle of that nonsense), I am genuinely curious as to what you believe to get clarification on your stance.

BTW, I think there is actually established air space over your property (with limitations) that actually does belong to you, similar to the ground under your property. But that is a separate conversation.

[Chili]

True dat.

Btw, do any of you guys recall the couple having sex in their bedroom with their blinds open and were charged for indecent exposure? I forgot the circumstances but thought it was illegal if you could be seen by the public. Similarly, would it be illegal if johnny tells his dad he saw you boning his mom in the backyard swimming pool? Ya think I'm reaching on this one?

Why would it be illegal for Johnny to tell his dad that? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question or missing sarcasm? Been doing that a lot lately.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Why would it be illegal for Johnny to tell his dad that? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question or missing sarcasm? Been doing that a lot lately.

Well, the telling wouldn't be illegal, him seeing is public indecency.

[Chili]

Well, the telling wouldn't be illegal, him seeing is public indecency.

Lol, yeah, I was just being a smart ass based on the way he posed the question.

But that is a good question. If the kid is in his house, which gives him a view of the neighbors pool. It's not necessarily in public view. Same thing with something as simple as a woman sunbathing topless in the back yard.

[Trip McNeely]

Compton and Long Beach together, now you know you're in trouble.

Sorry it took so long for me to respond, but nice one.