EFFF Red light cameras

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I thought about this thread the other night as I was going down Plano Pkwy. I don't live in that area, so I am not familiar with the traffic flow. I had 3 redlights in a row that went yellow at just the right moment so that I had to either get hard on the brakes or go through and take a chance on a redlight ticket. I wasn't speeding either. I was going the speed limit. I swear they must have sensors that trip the light to yellow to increase the chances of producing red light runners.

go back and time the lights at a different points of the day and compare to this

http://www.shortyellowlights.com/standards/

[kingjason]

The letter has a Plano Police officer's signature and badge number on it, to me, that's enough for me to get a trial, plead not guilty, and face my accuser (6th amendment).

I know in Cedar Hill they have police officers review them to make sure they are good violations.

I thought about this thread the other night as I was going down Plano Pkwy. I don't live in that area, so I am not familiar with the traffic flow. I had 3 redlights in a row that went yellow at just the right moment so that I had to either get hard on the brakes or go through and take a chance on a redlight ticket. I wasn't speeding either. I was going the speed limit. I swear they must have sensors that trip the light to yellow to increase the chances of producing red light runners.

I can not remember what city but there was much scandal a few years back. Someone got hold of a email referencing them shortening the yellow cycle because the cameras were not generating enough revenue. So much for the whole "our cameras are just there to cut down on accidents " bullshit.

[line-em-up]

I thought about this thread the other night as I was going down Plano Pkwy. I don't live in that area, so I am not familiar with the traffic flow. I had 3 redlights in a row that went yellow at just the right moment so that I had to either get hard on the brakes or go through and take a chance on a redlight ticket. I wasn't speeding either. I was going the speed limit. I swear they must have sensors that trip the light to yellow to increase the chances of producing red light runners.

[bonnie&clyde]

everytime i see one of those damn cameras i always wanna sneak up behind it and spray paint the glass so it cant take pictures

[HarrisonTX]

I just got one in the maile today. Fuck.
$75 sycamore school road.

I didn't even slow down for that RoR.
Thug life.

[GeorgeG.]

Just an FYI but as indicated in a previous post, at some point it will prevent you from renewing your registration. I have one that I have ignored, received the letters, then the threats for collection, and then the letter stating I may not be able to renew the registration. I went to renew online today and it will not allow me.

So...long story short, just pay the piper.

[bird_dog0347]

sorry guys, been away from the forum for a few days...

I don't see how I can download and rehost the video, and to give you the link to see it I'd also have to disclose personal info, so sorry, but nope.

[dcs13]

2 days and no sharing of video? what gives...Post up, let's see

[idrivea4banger]

Excellent choices gentleman. How about we nuke the camera from orbit instead?

[CJ]

can you post the link to your violation so we can watch?

That's a forum tradition. I remember posting mine, which was a real dusey, racing a bmw IN the video.

[dcs13]

can you post the link to your violation so we can watch?

[The King]

You know, I'm not going to just pay it. After sleeping on it, the worst case scenario is I waste time and still have to pay it. I'm fine with that. I'll fight it, there is 0 proof it was me, no picture to identify me, just my car. So I'll plead not guilty and make them prove it was me. If I'm going to have to pay the $75 to them, they will lose more than that paying the officials who will have to pry it from me.

You, as the registered owner of the vehicle identified in the citation, shall be held liable as the financially responsible party for said vehicle regardless of who was driving.

The officials who might have to pry the $75 fine from you will still get paid their regular salaries regardless of how you go about protesting. They might even get some premium pay for their time spent conducting a hearing with an alleged scofflaw. Now, that's showing them who's boss!

[bird_dog0347]

It's not a ticket, there wasn't a police officer involved and you don't get a chance to plead anything. It doesn't matter who was driving or the circumstances. These won't go through any court system unless you rack up enough fines to where the camera company decides to sue you and then it's still civil, not criminal. You don't plead in civil court.

If a vehicle registered to you gets a penalty the bill goes to your address of record, you get a certain amount of time to appeal it through their website but after that they raise it to $100 and will send a couple more letters, then you'll get a form letter from an attorney and after a couple of months they'll put a scofflaw notice on your registration renewal. The attorney will give up and sell it to a collection agency who might call and annoy you, then send some more letters and eventually it might turn up on your credit as a bad debt. If it gets this far you can protest the debt and get it wiped off your report but the scofflaw notice will stay until the penalty is paid, or the registration is transferred.

To summarize it's a private company under contract with the city. Law enforcement and the criminal court systems are not involved at all and will never be. You have absolutely no legal reason to have to pay these. If you are going to sue anyone it'd be the state of Texas for making it difficult to renew a registration over a civil matter, that you may or may not agree with. Unfortunately you have no constitutional right to drive a vehicle so the law is not on your side.

The letter has a Plano Police officer's signature and badge number on it, to me, that's enough for me to get a trial, plead not guilty, and face my accuser (6th amendment).

[BP]

You know, I'm not going to just pay it. After sleeping on it, the worst case scenario is I waste time and still have to pay it. I'm fine with that. I'll fight it, there is 0 proof it was me, no picture to identify me, just my car. So I'll plead not guilty and make them prove it was me. If I'm going to have to pay the $75 to them, they will lose more than that paying the officials who will have to pry it from me.

It's not a ticket, there wasn't a police officer involved and you don't get a chance to plead anything. It doesn't matter who was driving or the circumstances. These won't go through any court system unless you rack up enough fines to where the camera company decides to sue you and then it's still civil, not criminal. You don't plead in civil court.

If a vehicle registered to you gets a penalty the bill goes to your address of record, you get a certain amount of time to appeal it through their website but after that they raise it to $100 and will send a couple more letters, then you'll get a form letter from an attorney and after a couple of months they'll put a scofflaw notice on your registration renewal. The attorney will give up and sell it to a collection agency who might call and annoy you, then send some more letters and eventually it might turn up on your credit as a bad debt. If it gets this far you can protest the debt and get it wiped off your report but the scofflaw notice will stay until the penalty is paid, or the registration is transferred.

To summarize it's a private company under contract with the city. Law enforcement and the criminal court systems are not involved at all and will never be. You have absolutely no legal reason to have to pay these. If you are going to sue anyone it'd be the state of Texas for making it difficult to renew a registration over a civil matter, that you may or may not agree with. Unfortunately you have no constitutional right to drive a vehicle so the law is not on your side.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Just hit the lenses with napalm.

fixed