Missing 777

[Forever_frost]

Dude, I know you're pretty cynical most of the time, but dig deep for that last bit of humanity you have stashed away.

I understand the search, I understand using assets to go in and look for at least wreckage with the hope of finding bodies or, more hopeful, survivors. What I don't see is sending in destroyers, submarine tenders and so much firepower when Russia is acting crazy.

By all means, search and I pray that survivors are found and that the plane was diverted to a safe area but it strikes me as odd that (and I know on the surface WHY they're sent, they're already near) so much tonnage and armament is in the area.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I understand the search, I understand using assets to go in and look for at least wreckage with the hope of finding bodies or, more hopeful, survivors. What I don't see is sending in destroyers, submarine tenders and so much firepower when Russia is acting crazy.

By all means, search and I pray that survivors are found and that the plane was diverted to a safe area but it strikes me as odd that (and I know on the surface WHY they're sent, they're already near) so much tonnage and armament is in the area.

Well, armament is one thing, but the technology they carry is what is headed there.

[Strychnine]

I understand the search, I understand using assets to go in and look for at least wreckage with the hope of finding bodies or, more hopeful, survivors. What I don't see is sending in destroyers, submarine tenders and so much firepower when Russia is acting crazy.

By all means, search and I pray that survivors are found and that the plane was diverted to a safe area but it strikes me as odd that (and I know on the surface WHY they're sent, they're already near) so much tonnage and armament is in the area.

Russia is acting crazy on the other side of the world, but here's the details on that area:

Russia's Pacific fleet
4 anti sub ships
4 destroyers
19 motorboats and minesweepers
5 large landing craft
5 nuke powered ballistic missile subs
6 nuke powered cruise missile subs
7 nuke powered attack subs
9 diesel/elec powered attack subs

Total: 58

http://i.imgur.com/sMPyBH2.jpg

That's it.


Here's our Pacific fleet... it's almost double just on the surface.

13 Mine Countermeasure Ships
6 Littoral Combat Ships
10 Frigates
35 Destroyers
12 Cruisers
6 Dock Landing Ships
6 Amphibious Transport Docks
6 Amphibious Assault Ships

Total: 94

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/Pages/USNavyPacificFleetShipsbyClass.aspx#.Ux9c-s4mat8

Then underwater we have 41 subs in the Pacific Fleet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComSubPac

We can search all fucking day for a missing 777 and 239 people

[CJ]

And that doesn't even include aircraft carriers, which is the most important factor.

[mstng86]

what if the Russians shot it down to pull our fleet into the area? Thus creating a Pearl Harbor situation and they nuke the whole south Chinese Sea?

[Strychnine]

And that doesn't even include aircraft carriers, which is the most important factor.

LOL. Good catch. We have 11 of those.

[Strychnine]

what if the Russians shot it down to pull our fleet into the area? Thus creating a Pearl Harbor situation and they nuke the whole south Chinese Sea?

They did that back in the 80s, but not to lure us in to anything.

They shot down a 747, then were a HUGE pain in everyone's ass while the rest of the world was trying to do S&R then recovery. It took months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

[Pokulski-Blatz]

what if the Russians shot it down to pull our fleet into the area? Thus creating a Pearl Harbor situation and they nuke the whole south Chinese Sea?

Interesting theory, but a bit far fetched.

[mstng86]

They did that back in the 80s, but not to lure us in to anything.

They shot down a 747, then were a HUGE pain in everyone's ass while the rest of the world was trying to do S&R then recovery. It took months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_...nes_Flight_007

You need a tinfoil hat.

Its much more fun.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I was reading that this morning.

These missions met with interference by the Soviets,[65] in violation of the 1972 Incident at Sea agreement, and included false flag and fake light signals, sending an armed boarding party to threaten to board a U.S.-chartered Japanese auxiliary vessel (blocked by U.S. warship interposition), interfering with a helicopter coming off the USS Elliot (7 Sept.), attempted ramming of rigs used by the South Koreans in their quadrant search, hazardous maneuvering of the Gavril Sarychev and near-collision with the USS Callaghan (Sept. 15, 18), removing U.S. sonars, setting false pingers in deep international waters, sending Backfire bombers armed with air-to-surface nuclear-armed missiles to threaten U.S. naval units, criss-crossing in front of U.S. combatant vessels (Oct. 26), cutting and attempted cutting of moorings of Japanese auxiliary vessels, particularly the Kaiko Maru III, and radar lock-ons by a Soviet Kara-class cruiser, the Petropavlovsk, and a Kashin-class destroyer, the Odarennyy, targeting U.S. naval vessels. USS Towers, escorting USS Conserver, experienced all of the above interference and was involved in a near-collision with the Odarennyy (Sept. 23–27).[66][67]
According to the ICAO: "The location of the main wreckage was not determined… the approximate position was 46°34′N 141°17′E, which was in international waters." This point is about 41 miles (66 km) from Moneron Island, about 45 miles (72 km) from the shore of Sakhalin and 33 miles (53 km) from the point of attack.[68]
Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet, believed the search for KAL 007 in international waters to have been a search in the wrong place and assessed:[69]
"Had TF [task force] 71 been permitted to search without restriction imposed by claimed territorial waters, the aircraft stood a good chance of having been found. No wreckage of KAL 007 was found. However, the operation established, with a 95% or above confidence level, that the wreckage, or any significant portion of the aircraft, does not lie within the probability area outside the 12 nautical mile area claimed by the Soviets as their territorial limit."[35]
At a hearing of the ICAO on September 15, 1983, J. Lynn Helms, the head of the Federal Aviation Administration, stated:[5] "The U.S.S.R. has refused to permit search and rescue units from other countries to enter Soviet territorial waters to search for the remains of KAL 007. Moreover, the Soviet Union has blocked access to the likely crash site and has refused to cooperate with other interested parties, to ensure prompt recovery of all technical equipment, wreckage and other material."

[Strychnine]

You need a tinfoil hat.

Its much more fun.

LOL.

Frost, throw me that roll of Reynolds Wrap!

[Forever_frost]

Interesting information on the two sides. I'm just confused by the gear and ships and forces sent in after a downed civilian craft when the response to Benghazi was so anemic.

Still, interesting things. Has there been any ideas on what could shut off a plane that size so that it doesn't transmit it's location?

[Forever_frost]

LOL.

Frost, throw me that roll of Reynolds Wrap!

Get your own. I am making a tinfoil castle.

[mstng86]

Interesting information on the two sides. I'm just confused by the gear and ships and forces sent in after a downed civilian craft when the response to Benghazi was so anemic.

Still, interesting things. Has there been any ideas on what could shut off a plane that size so that it doesn't transmit it's location?

Someone tried to start a Facetime.

[Forever_frost]

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/11/missing-malaysia-airliner-tracked-hundreds-of-miles-off-course-after-transponder-switch-off/

Missing Malaysia airliner tracked hundreds of miles off course after transponder switch-off
2:04 PM 03/11/2014
Giuseppe Macri

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The Malaysian military said Tuesday they may have tracked missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 fly hundreds of miles off course to the Strait of Malacca after its last contact with air traffic control and apparent transponder switch-off.

The Strait of Malacca runs along Malaysia’s west coast, and is one of the busiest shipping channels in the world. If accurate, the new radar information released by an unidentified Malaysian military official would put the missing Boeing 777 on the opposite side of Malaysia from its last confirmed position, CBS reports.

It would also mean the flight made a major course correction mid-flight and flew below standard radar-detection altitude heading back to Malaysia without alerting air traffic control, and after having its location transponder and tracking systems switched off or disabled.

The flight of 227 passengers and 12 crew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing last had contact Saturday off the east coast Malaysian town of Kota Bharu. Less than an hour into the flight, the plane lost all contact and disappeared without any distress signal or emergency transmission.

Malaysia’s extensive search effort, which has so far consisted of more than 40 planes and ships from at least 10 nations, has been extended to the Malacca Strait after an initial focus in the South China Sea.

No physical trace of the aircraft has been found, and initial speculation of terrorism sparked by the identification of two passengers traveling with stolen passports has been ruled unlikely, according to Interpol.