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Its hard to drink all day if you dont start in the morning."If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford -
If I withdrew all my monies from the bank in 100's, and stacked it up, that's how deep the plane is.Comment
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How sad. I hope things get better for you.Originally posted by yellowstang View Post"If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry FordComment
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So, it's 6 deluxe cowskin rugs deep?"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."Comment
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Not if you run out of things to do by noon in a shit hole town. Work, lunch, gym, bar... wash, repeat. Damn youOriginally posted by Baron Von Crowder View PostThe richest man in BabylonComment
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Sadly that's only $4,389,120,000. The IRS gave away more than that last year in fraudulent tax returns (including mine).Originally posted by yellowstang View PostComment
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Lolz, good stuff in here.Comment
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Missing Jet Recordings May Have Been 'Edited': Experts
Audio recordings of the final conversations between pilots of the missing Malaysian jet and teams of air traffic controllers on the ground were "edited" before they were made public, voice experts say.
The tapes also appear to be recorded by at least two different audio sources, one of which may have been a digital recorder held up to a speaker, they said.
The analysts cautioned that their observations don't necessarily imply anything about the investigation into the missing flight.
The quality and brevity of the interactions between the cockpit and controllers made it impossible to glean any information about the pilots' state of mind before the plane disappeared, or even to determine whether both the pilot and co-pilot were speaking or if just one can be heard.
The audio recordings were published Thursday for the first time as part of a preliminary report by Malaysian authorities. In the report, Malaysia's Air Accident Investigation Bureau said a lack of real-time tracking devices caused "significant difficulty" in the hunt for MH 370, which disappeared March 8.
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Analysts who listened to the recordings for NBC News did not know why they were edited, but discovered at least four clear breaks in the audio that indicated edits.
"It's very strange," said audio-video forensic expert and registered investigator Ed Primeau of Primeau Forensics, who has analyzed hundreds of audio recordings. He said the beginning and end of the recording are high-quality with a low noise floor, meaning ambient background noise is almost silent, unlike the middle.
"At approximately 1:14 (a minute, 14 seconds into the audio, which can be heard here), the tone of the recording change to where to me, it sounds like someone is holding a digital recorder up to a speaker, so it's a microphone-to-speaker transfer of that information. That's a pretty big deal because it raises the first red flag about there possibly being some editing," he said.
The next part that raises questions is two minutes, six seconds in, through two minutes, nine seconds in, he said.
"I can hear noise in the room, along with the increase in the noise floor. I can hear a file door being closed, I can hear some papers being shuffled. so I'm further convinced that, beginning at 1:14 continuing through 2:06 to 2:15, it's a digital recorder being held up to a speaker."
Long gaps in the communication throughout the recording also imply some editing, he said.
"But yet, at 6:17, there's a huge edit because the conversation is cut off. It's interrupted. And the tone changes again," he said. "The noise floor, when you're authenticating a recording from a forensic perspective, is a very important part of the process. All of a sudden, we go back to the same quality and extremely low noise floor that we had at the beginning of the recording."
Kent Gibson, a forensic audio examiner with Forensic Audio in Los Angeles, added that there appear to be additional edits at 2:11 and 5:08, and agreed it sounded as though the middle section was recorded with a microphone near a speaker.
"You can hear, at 4:07, pages turning or a person breathing, which is unusual," he said.
While it's not uncommon for the background of a recording to change when a cockpit communication turns over from ground control to air controllers — which happened about four minutes into this recording — that doesn't explain the noises that are heard.
"It's not unusual that there would be clicks when they push the button on the microphone, but it's very unusual to have a disturbance. Normally you wouldn't have any background," Gibson said.
A cut-off word also isn't out of the realm of possibility, he said.
"It wouldn't be unthinkable to have a truncated word because if somebody let go of the trigger on the microphone, it might cut off their word," he said. "But it would be very unusual to find a background differential at the same time, suggesting that Malaysian authorities or whoever presented this made edits for whatever reason."
Gibson said it’s possible the tapes could have been edited by Malaysian authorities "if the pilot dropped a hint that they didn't want to get out, if he said something that doesn't fit with the Malaysian government's party line."
But, he said, "It's more likely to be an inadvertent thing. But it's not the way to handle evidence."
The recording also could have come from different sources, he added.
"You can assume that the recording while they're still on the ground came from the tower and then you could assume that the communication with air controllers was while they're in the air," he said. "They may have just mishandled the cobbling of it together."
This doesn't necessarily prove anything about the investigation, he added.
"Unfortunately, there are no smoking guns, except there are edits. And there are clear edits," he said.
Tom Owen, a consultant for Owen Forensic Services audio analysis and chairman emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence, said edits were to be expected.
"There's things that have to do with timelines and radar that they have available, but they don't make them available," he said. "They wouldn't give you anything that would be enlightening for the public to any secretive information. I don't see that as a problematic issue."
Primeau disagreed.
"This is not a good maneuver or a good faith move by the Malaysian government because of all these questions with regard to the different anomalies and edits that are in this recording," he said.
Audio experts felt the quality of the transmissions was too low to offer analysis of the pilots' voices.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg said even after enhancing and slowing down the conversations, there wasn't good enough, or long enough, sound samples to make a determination on the pilots' stress level.
"It's analogous to blowing up a photograph. It's the same amount of information," he said. "I don't know that any such determination would be admissible."
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11 Members of Violent Terror Cell Reportedly Arrested, Interrogated in MH370 Probe
May. 4, 2014 9:56am Sharona Schwartz
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Eleven individuals — including at least one woman with suspected links to Al Qaeda — are currently being interrogated in connection with the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, according to British media reports, as new questions are being raised about the cargo on the doomed flight.
Britain’s Daily Mail reported that the individuals who are members of a “violent new terror group” aiming to bomb targets in Muslim countries were arrested in Malaysia last week.
Ground staff work on a Malaysia Airlines plane at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang, Malaysia, Wednesday, March 12, 2014. (AP Photo/Lai Seng Sin)
Ground staff work on a Malaysia Airlines plane at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang, Malaysia, Wednesday, March 12, 2014. (AP Photo/Lai Seng Sin)
The focus on the individuals between the ages of 22 and 55 was prompted by international investigators including those with the FBI. The Mail reported that among the alleged operatives was a young widow, students and “business professionals.”
The flight took off from Kuala Lumpur on March 8 with 239 people onboard heading toward Beijing when it disappeared from radar screens about an hour after takeoff with no distress signal conveyed to air traffic controllers.
The huge international search effort which included ships and fighter aircraft focused primarily on the Indian Ocean has not turned up any wreckage of the airplane.
Last week’s reported arrests suggest that terrorism is once again the focus of the investigation.
An unnamed officer with the Counter Terrorism Division of Malaysian Special Branch told the Daily Mail, “The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group.”
According to the counterterrorism official, some of the suspects admitted to planning “sustained terror campaigns” in Malaysia; however, they denied a connection to the disappearance of the passenger plane.
The Daily Mail further noted that during former Al Qaeda spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith’s trial, a British man, Saajid Badat testified in March that he had trained at an Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan with Richard Reid to carry out a shoe bomb attack timed for the months following the September 11 attacks on the U.S. That continued plot apparently involved Malaysians.
“I gave one of my shoes to the Malaysians. I think it was to access the cockpit,” he reportedly said.
The Malaysian news site the Star reported Saturday that the cargo on the doomed flight has now gained new focus in the investigation.
While it had been previously reported that the plane was carrying 440 pounds of lithium ion batteries, according to the Star, Malaysia Airlines revealed on Thursday about other contents of the cargo that had previously been withheld.
The Star quoted the airline saying that besides the batteries, items declared as radio accessories and chargers were also being transported by the plane; however, those electronics were not detailed in the cargo manifest. The plane was additionally carrying mangosteens, an exotic fruit.
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Ping Area 'Discounted' in Missing-Plane Search
Declaration Follows Scouring of Area by Submersible Drone; Hope Now Rests on Private Contractor
The area of the Indian Ocean around ping transmissions thought to have come from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370's black-box flight recorders can now be "discounted" following the completion of an undersea search, Australian authorities said.
But questions still remain unanswered about the status of the pings themselves after conflicting statements by the U.S. Navy.
The Joint Action Coordination Centre, in charge of the search for the missing plane, said Thursday it had called off the search for debris after scouring 850 square kilometers of the ocean floor. The Australian navy vessel Ocean Shield, along with the Bluefin-21 submersible drone hired by the U.S. Navy that was critical to the search, are already traveling back to Perth.
"The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has advised that the search in the vicinity of the acoustic detections can now be considered complete and in its professional judgment, the area can now be discounted as the final resting place of MH370," JACC said in an emailed statement.
Hopes for finding the missing plane now rest with a private contractor being hired to deploy new equipment across an expanded search zone covering 60,000 square kilometers. That search will likely begin no sooner than August and could take up to a year, the search authority said.
JACC declined to respond to comments by the U.S. Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering, Michael Dean, who said in a CNN interview Thursday that all of the ping transmissions detected by the Ocean Shield in early April were "likely some sound produced by the ship" or the result of a technical glitch in the towed pinger locator, rather than signals from the black boxes of Flight 370.
While Australian authorities have for weeks dismissed the two weak ping transmissions detected on April 8 as likely not from a man-made device, Cmdr. James Lybrand, captain of the Ocean Shield, told The Wall Street Journal in May that the two stronger pings detected on April 5 remained a cause for hope among searchers.
Mr. Dean didn't cite new acoustic analysis in dismissing the ping transmissions, but instead claimed that the Bluefin's fruitless search of the seabed in the area proved the pings were false leads. His comments were later dismissed by the U.S. Navy as "speculative and premature."
A person familiar with JACC said that searchers still don't know the source of the four ping transmission detected in early April, and experts continue to analyze them for clues. But there is no proof that they came from Ocean Shield or glitches in the towed pinger locator, and they haven't been completely discounted, this person added.
Still, deciphering the source of the transmissions has become a lower priority since the Bluefin successfully mapped 97% of the areas near the four pings where authorities hoped the plane might be resting.
The Bluefin searched an area of 850 square kilometers, roughly 10 times the size of Manhattan, since being deployed in mid-April—a time when optimism was peaking for a quick breakthrough in the search for the missing plane. But it suffered a number of operational problems as it encountered depths exceeding 5,000 meters, or 3.1 miles—its operating limit is 3 miles—and 70-meter-deep crevasses that it struggled to navigate.
In early May, Cmdr. Lybrand said the difficult terrain meant that new equipment from a private contractor needed to be brought in to complete the search around the first two ping transmissions before they could be definitively ruled out as leads.
"Some other solution will need to be made to search that area, which is potentially part of the future contract," he said.
But the person familiar with JACC's operation said that the Bluefin had recently managed to hurdle problems with crevasses, and had captured accurate scans around all four ping transmissions, although in some cases it searched only a three-kilometer radius, rather than the 10 kilometers stated in earlier JACC press announcements. No maps have been released detailing the exact area scanned by the Bluefin.
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this shit is a cover up...Comment
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What usually makes the most sense is the logical answer.
The captain of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is now the prime suspect in the ongoing investigation into the plane’s mysterious disappearance, after police found suspicious evidence in his house, according to a media report.
More than three months since the plane disappeared over Southeast Asia, Malaysia’s police force said that following intelligence checks into all people on board Captain Zaharie Shah, 53, was the only one who raised suspicion, according to a report published by The Sunday Times.
Police came to this conclusion after finding a flight simulator in his home with drills rehearsing a flight far out into the southern Indian Ocean and a landing on an island with a short runway, the media report said. The files were deleted from the computer, but experts were able to retrieve them.
Zaharie, a father of three, was found to have no social or work-related plans, unlike his colleagues including co-pilot, Fariq Hamid. The newspaper also reported that police were told of rumors concerning tensions in his family.
The results of the inquiry have only been released to foreign governments and disclosed by officials in Southeast Asia to the Sunday Times.
The Boeing 777-200 plane heading from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew went missing on March 8.
Police said that the criminal investigation does not rule out that the plane went missing due to mechanical failure or an act of terrorism. However, if the flight was lost due to human factors, then the captain is suspected to be the perpetrator.
"The police investigation is still ongoing. To date, no conclusions can be made as to the contributor to the incident and it would be sub judice to say so. Nevertheless, the police are still looking into all possible angles," the Malaysian police was quoted as saying by The Sunday Times.
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^^^^prays at Mosque daily. He was just a good all around Muslim man.Fuck you. We're going to Costco.Comment
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