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The engines are transmitting the data?Men have become the tools of their tools.
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Originally posted by BERNIE MOSFET View Post
The data from the sensors are accumulated and transmitted at regular intervals to ground stations monitored by the engine manufacturers. Alert messages indicating anomalies are instantly transmitted. According to Rolls-Royce’s website, their aircraft engine data is transmitted via satellite feed. Rolls- Royce would analyze the data submitted and make recommendations to the airline for engine maintenance, as appropriate.
In the case of Flight MH370, analysis of the engine data captured by Rolls-Royce could provide important information with regard to engine performance at the time the transponder stopped transmitting. This information would indicate, for example, if the engines were running properly or if certain parts were running too fast, too slow or too hot or if the engine was running at allComment
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If the aircraft happen to land in the ocean and sank. Would you want to know if they find the plane but could not recover it. Knowing you would not be.able to burry your family member, knowing they are thousand of feet below water.Comment
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Right, I know that the data is accumulated by a data link system and transmitted via ACARS format through various coms, VHF, HF, and Satcom - whichever is available, but this makes use of onboard communication systems and fuselage mounted antennas. Crapstang's statement suggested that the engines transmitted the data themselves.Originally posted by Strychnine View PostMen have become the tools of their tools.
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Because spending the rest of your life not knowing is a preferable alternative? Stop eating paint chips dumbass.Originally posted by lincolnboy View PostComment
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They have a separate system on which they transmit the data. That way some mechanic can't just "switch" the system off and run hours on it without logging them.Originally posted by BERNIE MOSFET View PostOriginally posted by Buzzo
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Are you really this stupid? I'm still waiting for the crowd to jump out and yell, "Surprise! lincolnboy is an alias!"Originally posted by lincolnboy View PostComment
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Wouldn't it be pretty obvious in the cockpit if the EICAS wasn't reporting engine data? That data is integral to primary flight systems, so I don't know why there'd be concern about unlogged engine run time, even ground runs.Originally posted by crapstang View Post
I'm not familiar with engines, but I'm questioning how much autonomy the manufacturers have built in that they self report independently of aircraft coms. I don't think the engines have dedicated coms, and I don't think they report directly to aircraft transceivers. Maybe they do on commercial aircraft.Men have become the tools of their tools.
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They actually do transmit data to the manufacturer and airline independent of the rest of the communications systems. My father was raising this point (he's rated on the 777) and he said the pilots cannot even shut off those systems even if they wanted to. Since the engines are leased, the manufacturer and airline must know exactly what is happening to them at any given moment. Basically, we all know that it's near impossible to make that advanced and that large of an aircraft to completely go dark. Either it's at the bottom of the pond, or something else is happening and they are obviously not telling us for some reason. I just gave you the witch doctor answer lolOriginally posted by BERNIE MOSFET View PostOriginally posted by Buzzo
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http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-offi...051507084.html
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — A Malaysian investigation into the missing flight 370 has concluded that one or more people with flying experience switched off communications devices and deliberately steered the airliner off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said Saturday.
The official called the disappearance a hijacking, though he said no motive has been established and no demands have been made known. It's not yet clear where the plane ended up, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.
The official said a deliberate takeover of the plane was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive," he said, indicating that investigators were ruling out mechanical failure or pilot error in the disappearance.
He said evidence that led to the conclusion were signs that the plane's communications were switched off deliberately, data about the flight path and indications the plane was steered in a way to avoid detection by radar.
The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed just under one hour into a Malaysia Airlines flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials previously have said radar data suggest it may have turned back toward and crossed over the Malaysian peninsula after setting out on a northeastern path toward the Chinese capital.
Earlier, an American official told The Associated Press that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance, adding it may have been "an act of piracy."
While other theories are still being examined, the U.S. official said key evidence suggesting human intervention is that contact with the Boeing 777's transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before a messaging system on the jet quit. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe.
The Malaysian official said only a skilled aviator could navigate the plane the way it was flown after its last confirmed location over the South China Sea. The official said it had been established with a "more than 50 percent" degree of certainty that military radar had picked up the missing plane after it dropped off civilian radar.
Why anyone would want to do this is unclear. Malaysian authorities and others will be urgently investigating the backgrounds of the two pilots and 10 crew members, as well the 227 passengers on board.
Some experts have said that pilot suicide may be the most likely explanation for the disappearance, as was suspected in a SilkAir crash during a flight from Singapore to Jakarta in 1997 and an EgyptAir flight in 1999.
A massive international search effort began initially in the South China Sea where the plane's transponders stopped transmitting. It has since been expanded onto the other side of the Malay peninsula up into the Andaman Sea and into the Indian Ocean.
Scores of aircraft and ships from 12 countries are involved in the search.
The plane had enough fuel to fly for at least five hours after its last known location, meaning a vast swath of South and Southeast Asia would be within its reach. Investigators are analyzing radar and satellite data from around the region to try and pinpoint its final location, something that will be vital to hopes of finding the plane, and answering the mystery of what happened to it.
The USS Kidd arrived in the Strait of Malacca late Friday afternoon and will be searching in the Andaman Sea, and into the Bay of Bengal. It uses a using a "creeping-line" search method of following a pattern of equally spaced parallel lines in an effort to completely cover the area.
A P-8A Poseidon, the most advanced long range anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare aircraft in the world, will arrive Saturday and be sweeping the southern portion of the Bay of Bengal and the northern portion of the Indian Ocean. It has a nine-member crew and has advanced surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the department of defense said in a statement.
Another U.S. official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said investigators looking for the plane have run out of clues except for a type of satellite data that has never been used before to find a missing plane, and is very inexact.
The data consists of attempts by an Inmarsat satellite to identify a broad area where the plane might be in case a messaging system aboard the plane should need to connect with the satellite, said the official. The official compared the location attempts, called a "handshake," to someone driving around with their cellphone not in use. As the phone from passes from the range of one cellphone tower to another, the towers note that the phone is in range in case messages need to be sent.
In the case of the Malaysian plane, there were successful attempts by the satellite to roughly locate the Boeing 777 about once an hour over four to five hours, the official said. "This is all brand new to us," the official said. "We've never had to use satellite handshaking as the best possible source of information."
The handshake does not transmit any data on the plane's altitude, airspeed or other information that might help in locating it, the official said. Instead, searchers are trying to use the handshakes to triangulate the general area of where the plane last was known to have been at the last satellite check, the official said.
"It is telling us the airplane was continuing to operate," the official said, plus enough information on location so that the satellite will know how many degrees to turn to adjust its antenna to pick up any messages from the plane.
The official confirmed prior reports that following the loss of contact with the plane's transponder, the plane turned west. A transponder emits signals that are picked up by radar providing a unique identifier for each plane along with altitude. Malaysian military radar continued to pick up the plane as a whole "paintskin" — a radar blip that has no unique identifier — until it traveled beyond the reach of radar, which is about 320 kilometers (200 miles) offshore, the official said.
The New York Times, quoting American officials and others familiar with the investigation, said radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the airliner climbing to 45,000 feet (about 13,700 meters), higher than a Boeing 777's approved limit, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar, and making a sharp turn to the west. The radar track then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet (7,000 meters), below normal cruising levels, before rising again and flying northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean, the Times reported.
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Lowy reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Ashok Sharma in New Delhi, Jim Gomez in Kuala Lumpur, and Rod McGuirk in Canberra, Australia, contributed to this report.
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Why highjack the plane (either passenger or crew), disable the tracking systems, fly for hours afterwards and not land it somewhere? If they did infact land, then with there being no word of where, it can only be state sponsored terrorism. And if it is, why not claim it already. The only country that could/would be able to hide that would NK or Iran. I don't think they had the fuel for Iran or even PAK. If it was in PAK, we would know also.
If they went through all that effort to disguise where they were, it wouldn't make sense to crash it into the sea. If you were gonna do that, you would want someone to know you did it, so you crash it on land, populated area or turn on the tracking so it shows up somewhere.
my $.02 and we still don't know shit.Fuck you. We're going to Costco.Comment
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I'm thinking terrorists. Possibly trying to gear for another 9/11'ish attack. I bet they were hoping that investigators from Malaysia might not catch on before full preperatiin. Now that its been confirmed hopefully they won't fly in under radar. My question is where do you put down a mammoth Boeing like that without turning a shit load of heads.
That being said, I bet they crashed out somewhere unless they have already have the new Al'Queda Death Star fully operational a full 3 years ahead of schedule.Comment
Now an official Malaysian document is saying it held one of two possible flight paths based on satellites that shows it could have gone to Afghanistan, Pakistan, in that region, etc.Comment
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