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  • Chinese experimental motor.

    Looks like a real piece of s.



    With all the buzz surrounding electric cars, it’s worth remembering that internal combustion engines remain an active area of technology development. For example, a Michigan-based start-up called EcoMotors has created a new type of engine that could improve fuel economy by 20% compared to conventional turbo diesel engines—and be built at a lower production cost. Yesterday, EcoMotors announced the creation of a joint venture to start building these engines in China.

    The company's Opoc engine breaks with conventional designs in a number of ways to reduce weight and volume while saving fuel. It has two cylinders, which each house two pistons. That increases the power density because pistons need to travel half the distance, according to the company. The two-stroke engine also uses electrical control systems in place of mechanical components to precisely regulate combustion, it says.

    An electrically controlled clutch, for example, allows the engine to operate with both two-cylinder modules operating, or with one turned off to save fuel while driving. Although EcoMotors plans to initially manufacture diesel engines, the basic architecture can also work with gasoline, natural gas, or biofuels.

    With serious air-quality problems and government mandates for fuel efficiency, China represents a large market for this type of technology. "For customers in China, it will ultimately provide access to affordable technology that will have a positive influence on the country’s transportation emissions,” said EcoMotors' president Amit Soman in a statement.

    Automakers around the world are making a number of incremental changes to internal combustion engines to meet fuel efficiency mandates. Ford Motor's EcoBoost, for example, uses a turbo and direct injection to improve efficiency and power density. At the same time, there are number of companies pursuing completely new engine designs. In addition to EcoMotors, other start-ups include Grail Engine Technologies, Achates Power, Liquid Piston, and Pinnacle Engines.

    As a company, six-year-old EcoMotors has had a relatively quick journey from company founding to commercialization, although it's been a slightly different path than first envisioned. When I spoke to CEO Donald Runkle four years ago, he envisioned bringing the engine to market by licensing the technology to U.S. automakers or making engines itself.

    Instead, an affiliate of Chinese automaker First Auto Works Group will finance construction of a $US 200-million plant to start manufacturing 100 000 engines per year with EcoMotors opposed piston design. With the deal, EcoMotors, which attracted investment from Bill Gates and Khosla Ventures, will see its novel technology come to life at large-scale next year.

    For many energy technology companies, China offers a very large market and a place where government policies make it feasible to raise the capital required to build manufacturing plants or large-scale demonstration projects. “This partnership will demonstrate how (EcoMotors) technology can be developed and delivered practically to important and growing markets,” investors William Lese said in a statement. Last April, EcoMotors signed a separate deal with to build an engine plant with auto parts conglomerate Zhongding Power in China.

  • #2
    Looks like it will be spectacular when it grenades.

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    • #3
      I was reading about this type of 2 stroke the other day...seems pretty awesome.

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      • #4
        "Congratulations, you've invented a Lister engine."
        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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        • #5
          Off to google for more info, but here's a better pic:

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          • #6
            But Yale is right. The opposed piston opposed cylinder engine is not new.

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            • #7
              Ah, so it's like a more complicated version of the early compound diesels.
              ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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              • #8
                This? Again? Go grab a set of books call "The internal combustion engine, theory and practice" published in 1980 I believe and it will show you a few examples of this type of engine from 45 years before it was published.
                Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                • #9
                  I have a feeling there's a very good reason this idea is being floated in China and not here. I would love to see the g/bhp-hr NOx/CO/NMHC emission data on this.


                  Edit: don't want to sound too Debbie Downer - this could be very good for a market like China. Just don't expect to see it here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
                    I would love to see the g/bhp-hr NOx/CO/NMHC emission data on this.
                    Nerd alert!
                    Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                    HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                    • #11
                      New Engine

                      I know it looks funny and different, but change happens and things get better with innovation. Remember when all engines were "Valve in Block" ? Next , Oh My ! an engine with valves in the head.....who would ever think of that. And then along came overhead cam engines. Who knows what the future will be, but I still bet on internal combustion principles. You can carry extra gas or diesel with you when you travel. You can buy it anywhere, and you can buy and use it at night when you can't use the sun to re charge a battery. Just my thoughts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FastFox View Post
                        I know it looks funny and different, but change happens and things get better with innovation.

                        Don't go posting this nutty idea in that Tesla thread over in the Political Forum.

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                        • #13
                          Taking a piece of machinery and making it more complicated then it was rarely has success. It's a neat idea but that engine is right up there with rotating cylinder walls, wobble plate motors, and rotary engines.

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                          • #14
                            Found an answer to my question... and it's impressive.

                            The overall goal is the 2010 Tier 2 Bin 5 Heavy Duty Truck standard. While it can meet the standards at specific RPM levels, they are working on meeting the standards across the power band. The RPM range is currently 700-3800
                            In current development, the M100 OPOC engine tuned to meet current North American emissions standards, on the dyno generates 240 HP and 487 foot-pounds of torque, so they aren’t too far away from meeting both power and emissions goals.
                            in the test cell, in addition to the electrically controlled turbo mounted between the cylinders, on the floor, plumbed into the maze of exhaust pipes, was what looked like an Eaton supercharger running off an electric motor. When I asked about the blower, Hurden asked me not to photograph it since it won’t be part of the final engine. While they are fine tuning the combustion process, they need a surplus of intake air under pressure, which the Eaton blower supplies reliably. Once they get the combustion chamber shape finalized, the onboard turbo will be optimized to provide all the compressed air the engine needs

                            And a shitload more info for anyone curious:








                            it is the brainchild of Prof. Peter Hofbauer, former head of powertrain development for Volkswagen and designer of VW’s first diesel engine.

                            CEO of Ecomotors is Don Runkle, longtime GM engineer and executive. Runkle held the positions of chief engineer of Chevrolet, chief engineer of powertrain and racing at the Buick Division, director of Advanced Vehicle Engineering, vice president of GM’s Advanced Engineering Staff and GM’s North American VP in charge of the Warren Tech Center.

                            President and Chief Operating Officer is John Colleti, ex of Ford, where he was responsible for the hugely successful (and fairly profitable) SVT high performance program.
                            achieves close to 4 stroke levels of gas scavenging by lots of fluid dynamics modeling, careful port design, and the electrically controlled turbocharger. It’s a standard Borg Warner turbo with an electric motor connected to the turbine shafts. From idle, it gets the turbo to speed, reducing turbo lag. More importantly it allows control of back pressure, improving gas exchange. Once the turbo is up to speed, the motor acts as a generator, and that current is supplied to the electrical system
                            The drawback to a two-cycle engine, of course is that they are dirty. The lack of precision valves and the ability of a 4 stroke to pump air means that two cycle engines don’t have as complete a burn nor do they scavenge the exhaust gases well. A typical two stroke leaves a lot of exhaust gas in the cylinder as well as spewing some unburned fuel out the exhaust. EcoMotors says that their design has all of the advantages of a two-stroke engine with none of the drawbacks, achieving 90% gas scavenging, cose to a four-stroke’s 95% and much better than the best two-strokes
                            The M100 engine on the stand is a 300HP direct injected two-stroke diesel engine. It has a displacement of 2.5 liters, cylinder bores of 100mm (with very short strokes), and has dimensions of (LxWxH): 22.8 x 41.3 x 18.5 – note the short length and low height. With aluminum construction, it weighs only 300 lbs. Compare that to the 300HP engines from Cummins and Navistar that respectively weigh 1,100 and 900 lbs. and have dimensions that dwarf the OPOC. Runkle says that production OPOC engines will easily weigh less than half what similarly powered diesel and gasoline engines weigh. Though the current prototypes run on diesel fuel, the OPOC engine can run on a variety of fuels including gases and alcohols as well as gasoline.
                            Last edited by Strychnine; 03-06-2014, 11:03 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stephen4785 View Post
                              Taking a piece of machinery and making it more complicated then it was rarely has success.
                              That's the thing though... a two stroke has a fraction of the moving parts of four stroke.

                              The opposed piston part is not common, but think of all the parts that are NOT there when you eliminate a head and valvetrain.

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