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    LOS ANGELES (AP) — NASA’s Curiosity rover has uncovered signs of an ancient freshwater lake on Mars, which scientists say could have been a perfect spot for tiny primitive organisms to flourish if they ever existed on the red planet.

    The watering hole near the Martian equator existed about 3.5 billion years ago around the time when life evolved on Earth. Scientists say the Martian lake was neither salty nor acidic, and contained life-friendly nutrients.

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    This illustration depicts a concept for the possible extent of an ancient lake inside Gale Crater. (Image source and caption: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS)
    “This just looks like a pretty darn ordinary Earth-like lake in terms of its chemistry,” said project scientist John Grotzinger of the California Institute of Technology. “If you were desperate, you could have a drink of this stuff.”

    The lake, about the size of a small Finger Lake in upstate New York, likely was around for tens of thousands — perhaps hundreds of thousands — of years. Even when the lake dried up, scientists said microbes could have migrated underground, and existed for potentially tens of millions of years.

    It’s not known whether simple life forms ever took hold on Mars and Curiosity lacks the tools to search for any fossilized microbes. It can only analyze the chemical makeup of rocks and soil.

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    This mosaic of images from Curiosity’s Mast Camera (Mastcam) shows geological members of the Yellowknife Bay formation, and the sites where Curiosity drilled into the lowest-lying member, called Sheepbed, at targets “John Klein” and “Cumberland.” (Image source and caption: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS)
    The findings were published online Monday in the journal Science and presented at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

    “The new results definitely reinforce the idea that past life on Mars was possible,” planetary scientist David Paige at the University of California, Los Angeles said in an email.

    Paige, who is not part of the Curiosity team, added: “The question of whether life existed or exists on Mars today is still open.”

    Present-day Mars is dusty and harsh, with no signs of water on the surface. But the red planet wasn’t always a radiation-scarred frozen desert.

    Early in its history, Mars was more tropical, with streams and rivers. With water plentiful, scientists think it was a place where primitive life could have thrived by feeding on rocks and minerals similar to tiny organisms on Earth that hide in caves and underwater vents.

    Curiosity Rover Finds Ancient Lake on Mars
    This mosaic of images from the Mast Camera (Mastcam) instrument on NASA’s Curiosity Mars rover shows a series of sedimentary deposits in the Glenelg area of Gale Crater, from a perspective in Yellowknife Bay looking toward west-northwest. (Image source and caption: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS)
    Around 3.5 billion years ago, Mars underwent a shift and raged with volcanic activity. NASA’s older rovers Spirit and Opportunity found geologic evidence that water flowed during this time, but it was highly acidic and considered too caustic for life.

    Scientists thought much of the planet had been awash in acidic water until Curiosity earlier this year found signs of an old streambed near its landing site with a neutral pH.

    Analyzing a sedimentary rock known as a mudstone, the nuclear-powered rover found further evidence of favorable environmental conditions — an ancient lake that was theoretically drinkable, harboring some of the key ingredients for life including carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, nitrogen and phosphorus.

    A roving science laboratory, Curiosity touched down in a massive depression called Gale Crater near Mars’ equator last year, toting high-tech instruments to drill into rocks, forecast the weather and track radiation.

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    This Feb 3, 2013 image provided by NASA shows a self portrait of the Mars rover, Curiosity. NASA’s Curiosity rover has uncovered signs of an ancient freshwater lake on Mars that may have teemed with microbes for tens of millions of years, far longer than scientists had imagined, new research suggests.(AP/NASA)
    Now that the $2.5 billion mission has accomplished a main goal — finding a habitable environment in the lake — attention has turned to the hunt for elusive carbon-based organic compounds that are fundamental to all living things.

    Before setting off on that search last summer, the six-wheel rover used its instruments to determine the age of a rock — the first time this has been achieved on another planet or celestial body.

    Another study released Monday showed that the rock was 4.2 billion years old — not entirely surprising since observations from space suggested the bedrock in the crater was this old. Scientists also calculated the rock has been exposed on the surface — and to galactic cosmic rays — for 78 million years.

    This knowledge should help the team find rocks in the foothills of Mount Sharp in the crater’s center that have not been too zapped by radiation, said mission scientist Ken Farley of Caltech.

    Scientists hope Curiosity will reach the mountain by next June, just a few months shy of its second landing anniversary.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...-lake-on-mars/
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    The real question that this raises is this. Will bible thumpers give up on the god thing once the existence of intelligent alien life who know nothing about a god of any sort is discovered/proven ?
    Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by svo855 View Post
      The real question that this raises is this. Will bible thumpers give up on the god thing once the existence of intelligent alien life who know nothing about a god of any sort is discovered/proven ?
      a pond full of single celled organisms is hardly proof of intelligent alien life.

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      • #4
        Even then, why would believers give up on God?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by svo855 View Post
          The real question that this raises is this. Will bible thumpers give up on the god thing once the existence of intelligent alien life who know nothing about a god of any sort is discovered/proven ?
          People have been repeating this shit for 50 years. And here we are, nothing.
          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CJ View Post
            People have been repeating this shit for 50 years. And here we are, nothing.
            But if they find a fossil, then there's no God!!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lo3oz View Post
              a pond full of single celled organisms is hardly proof of intelligent alien life.
              Did I say that it did?

              On the other hand christian dogma (except for Mormons) refuses that accept in any life other then what is on the Earth.
              Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by svo855 View Post
                Did I say that it did?

                On the other hand christian dogma (except for Mormons) refuses that accept in any life other then what is on the Earth.
                Talking out of your ass again, I see.

                You're still struggling with the whole "then/than" issues too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lo3oz View Post
                  a pond full of single celled organisms is hardly proof of intelligent alien life.
                  Especially when < 10,000 years old.
                  Originally posted by davbrucas
                  I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                  Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                  You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by svo855 View Post
                    The real question that this raises is this. Will bible thumpers give up on the god thing once the existence of intelligent alien life who know nothing about a god of any sort is discovered/proven ?
                    OOOoooooor...

                    God told the inhabitants of Mars to ship rockets of their own DNA to Earth 3.5 billion years ago to further life as the Sun continued to expand, thus destroying all evidence on Mars via radiation.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Denny View Post

                      You're still struggling with the whole "then/than" issues too.

                      It is an issue with dragon speaks; I personally know the difference.
                      Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lo3oz View Post
                        a pond full of single celled organisms is hardly proof of intelligent alien life.

                        Hell, I'm still searching for proof of intelligent life on this planet.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by svo855 View Post
                          The real question that this raises is this. Will bible thumpers give up on the god thing once the existence of intelligent alien life who know nothing about a god of any sort is discovered/proven ?
                          Actually all it would prove is that God stretched out his hand and spread life amongst the stars. I see no conflict with my faith if life is found on other planets or star systems.
                          I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by talisman View Post
                            Hell, I'm still searching for proof of intelligent life on this planet.
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                            Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                            Actually all it would prove is that God stretched out his hand and spread life amongst the stars. I see no conflict with my faith if life is found on other planets or star systems.
                            Lol. GTFO. You're right about stretching, but not anything else.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by racrguy View Post
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                              Lol. GTFO. You're right about stretching, but not anything else.
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