Texas Student Killed by Campus Police

[Rick Modena]

And if he had died because of driving drunk there wouldn't even be a post on here about it. It wouldn't be near the travesty although it still would have been his choices that led to his death. Had he killed another innocent motorist people wouldn't be whining "but he was an honor student".

Matt?!

[Snatch Napkin]

I'm real curious to see how it all plays out with The Texas Rangers getting involved with the quickness.

[The King]

OK, a citizen who happened to be a student is now dead. Is that better than saying he was an honor student who is now dead? What ifs are immaterial, the facts are a student is dead at the hands of a campus police officer, and whether deadly force was justified is being questioned.

[juiceweezl]

Imma post this here:

What is it they say about play stupid games?

[Snatch Napkin]

Why was this officer so terrible at staying in one place as a peace officer until he came to a privately owned campus?

Copypasta from : http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...ng-5040968.php

Over the course of Carter's eight-year law career in Texas, he has held nine jobs at eight agencies, including two stints at the Bexar County Sheriff's Office, files kept by the state agency for licensing peace officers show.

He rarely was at an agency more than a year and his shortest job was for seven months as a reserve officer for the San Antonio Municipal Court Marshals Division. So far, the two years and seven months he's spent at UIW is the longest stretch of employment, the files show.

[Gtracer]

Matt?!

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What if's are not FACT....FACT's are that this kid did what kids do, there was no beating of the officer without evidence...where is the photo of the officers injuries? Hospital visit, reports...etc

All we have to go off of is the story here and yes, BOTH sides are at fault to some degree. The kid should have not mouthed off, but that doesn’t warrant death. He should have listened to the man with a gun, but that doesn’t warrant death. He shouldn’t have been bar hoping or whatever doesn’t warrant death.

Yes, if he reached for the officer’s gun, then yes, that would be a problem but then again, I have seen capable officers step away from that and regain command of the situation, why could this officer not do that. Why was his second resort death when there are so many more options with less "permanent" consequences?

There were several people around, how come this investigation is still ongoing with this number of witnesses and with it being such an "obvious" clean cut situation?

Killing someone should be the last resort at the bottom of your bag of last resorts...just my opinion

[Gtracer]

Imma post this here:

What is it they say about play stupid games?

same could be said about someone killing an officer over a dog..., or maybe breaking down the wrong door...

[juiceweezl]

This


What if's are not FACT....FACT's are that this kid did what kids do, there was no beating of the officer without evidence...where is the photo of the officers injuries? Hospital visit, reports...etc

All we have to go off of is the story here and yes, BOTH sides are at fault to some degree. The kid should have not mouthed off, but that doesn’t warrant death. He should have listened to the man with a gun, but that doesn’t warrant death. He shouldn’t have been bar hoping or whatever doesn’t warrant death.

Yes, if he reached for the officer’s gun, then yes, that would be a problem but then again, I have seen capable officers step away from that and regain command of the situation, why could this officer not do that. Why was his second resort death when there are so many more options with less "permanent" consequences?

There were several people around, how come this investigation is still ongoing with this number of witnesses and with it being such an "obvious" clean cut situation?

Killing someone should be the last resort at the bottom of your bag of last resorts...just my opinion

1) You don't just close an officer shooting case investigation in 24 hours. As far as facts, we have none yet. All you have is one journalistic piece of which everything in it should be questioned.

2) If the LE agency does have video, pictures, etc., they aren't entitled to give them to the media, especially not if legal mitigation is pending. In fact, they'd be foolish to do so.

3) I'm not defending the shooting of the kid. It may have been necessary and justified, it may not have. The point is that we don't know. I'm trying not to pass judgement which leads me to...

4) The justice system is built upon the concept (although it seems to seldom prevail) of innocent until proven guilty. All we know is that the LEO shot and killed the victim (I won't use the term perp). Stop trying to crucify the guy until he's had his due time and case hearing. Then, you may either justifiably flame him OR you may change your tune and decide his actions were justified. Point being -- wait and see.

same could be said about someone killing an officer over a dog..., or maybe breaking down the wrong door...

Nice job of bringing something completely unrelated to this incident into the discussion. How many dog shootings or wrong door knocks does this LEO have?

[Gtracer]

1) You don't just close an officer shooting case investigation in 24 hours. As far as facts, we have none yet. All you have is one journalistic piece of which everything in it should be questioned.

2) If the LE agency does have video, pictures, etc., they aren't entitled to give them to the media, especially not if legal mitigation is pending. In fact, they'd be foolish to do so.

3) I'm not defending the shooting of the kid. It may have been necessary and justified, it may not have. The point is that we don't know. I'm trying not to pass judgement which leads me to...

4) The justice system is built upon the concept (although it seems to seldom prevail) of innocent until proven guilty. All we know is that the LEO shot and killed the victim (I won't use the term perp). Stop trying to crucify the guy until he's had his due time and case hearing. Then, you may either justifiably flame him OR you may change your tune and decide his actions were justified. Point being -- wait and see.

Nice job of bringing something completely unrelated to this incident into the discussion. How many dog shootings or wrong door knocks does this LEO have?

He wasnt employed long enough to calculate those stats...lol

I would assume someone watching had a cell phone, not necessarily the officer who was getting “beat” without backup…who else would have filmed it

I agree, that we should wait and see however this isn’t the vibe received from previous post whom were talking about the officer getting beat with his own beating stick...

Sorry about the dog and warrant knock comments, it was just my attempt at a "what if" situation, which I fail at "what if's" apparently

[juiceweezl]

I would assume someone watching had a cell phone, not necessarily the officer who was getting “beat” without backup…who else would have filmed it

I agree, that we should wait and see however this isn’t the vibe received from previous post whom were talking about the officer getting beat with his own beating stick...

Sorry about the dog and warrant knock comments, it was just my attempt at a "what if" situation, which I fail at "what if's" apparently

Conflicting reports already about cameras. One says dash cam and one says it was broken. That's the stuff the media should weed through, but they just want people to read and who gives a crap about facts.

As for the number of jobs the guy has had, I know tons of people that change jobs. There's a lot of ways to look at it. Yes, he could be a bad employee and that's why he's jumped around. He could also just be looking for the right deal/department. Maybe he completed probationary terms and didn't like what he was going to have to do/start at full time so he went somewhere else. The flip side to him having so many jobs is that he must be worthy of hiring or else he wouldn't be employed. Also, maybe he has someone with health issues that he's trying to be close to (ill family maybe). I don't know where his jobs have been. There are just too many unknown variables.

All that being said, if you wanted me to put my money down with the Vegas book, I would go with overreacted and could have handled the situation better. LOL

Edit: Just remember, if you ever take something the media says as fact (no matter which side it supports), just remember that Trayvon Martin was a saint of a sweet, little, innocent boy.

[dmh165638]

I am all for prosecuting the cop if they determine he was at fault. Regardless of what they find there are more here than not that will call for his head regardless of what the investigation finds merely because it was a cop. That being said there were several key spots along the way that decisions were made to make the situation worse. The cop was not a factor until that snow ball was already rolling down hill fast. I hate that this kid, who everyone seemed to think very highly of, was killed at such a young promising age. The situation sucks and from what I have read the officer is highly distraught over it.

[dmh165638]

Matt?!

Yep, I went back to 2002 and created this user and posted 1300 times to throw you off.

[Snatch Napkin]

Man, the more into this kid's personal life, the more skeptical I become about it all.

Granted, all of the pics on his memorial facebook page are going to depict him in his best light, but he doesn't look to be built in a manner that could allow him to get the baton away from an officer.
They also show him to be as wholesome as everyone has said he is.

The size comparison of the two is pretty significant. Something ain't right here.

I know that Trayvon was depicted in a similar manner, but there was plenty of proof to show that was not the case.

I'll wait on toxicology report to put both feet on the bandwagon.

For some retarded reason, I can't figure out how to post a pic from facebook, so here's a link. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justi...3109?ref=br_tf

[stevo]

1) You don't just close an officer shooting case investigation in 24 hours. As far as facts, we have none yet. All you have is one journalistic piece of which everything in it should be questioned.

2) If the LE agency does have video, pictures, etc., they aren't entitled to give them to the media, especially not if legal mitigation is pending. In fact, they'd be foolish to do so.

3) I'm not defending the shooting of the kid. It may have been necessary and justified, it may not have. The point is that we don't know. I'm trying not to pass judgement which leads me to...

4) The justice system is built upon the concept (although it seems to seldom prevail) of innocent until proven guilty. All we know is that the LEO shot and killed the victim (I won't use the term perp). Stop trying to crucify the guy until he's had his due time and case hearing. Then, you may either justifiably flame him OR you may change your tune and decide his actions were justified. Point being -- wait and see.


Nice job of bringing something completely unrelated to this incident into the discussion. How many dog shootings or wrong door knocks does this LEO have?

The Freedom of Information Act says that the public IS entitled to all evidence, including videos. It is just a question of how much evidence survives the usual 'technical failures' that seem to occur when questionable acts are committed by law enforcement.

Stevo

[Vertnut]

I'm real curious to see how it all plays out with The Texas Rangers getting involved with the quickness.

I can say from personal experience that Texas Rangers do not mince words or jack around, even if it involves another officer of the law.