Chicago car salesman fired for choice of tie

[564826]

How many cars did he sell and what was the average price for those vehicle?

[Mike]

In my opinion it sounds like he was fired for insubordination ...

Exactly.

[347Mike]

How many cars did he sell and what was the average price for those vehicle?

It doesn't matter.

[red95gts]

I don't get why everyone keeps saying if he was else where or if he had a Bears tie on all would be grand.

I guess you guys missed the part where it says they had Bears advertising and paid $20,000.

How is that any different than working for Sony and wearing a Samsung t-shirt? It's not really, in my opinion.

The guy was being insubordinate. Period. I don't understand why people make problems then wonder what was wrong later? I am sure he is really proud for "showing him" who was boss. Prime example of "answer lies within".

Exactly. Being fired is usually the result of poor decision-making on the employee's part. This clown made a poor decision by wearing the tie in the first place and then made another poor decision by not doing what his boss asked him to do. I'm sure he'll move on to the next dealership and work there for 6 weeks before doing something stupid again.

[564826]

It doesn't matter.

Apparently!

[Gargamel]

I don't get why everyone keeps saying if he was else where or if he had a Bears tie on all would be grand.

I guess you guys missed the part where it says they had Bears advertising and paid $20,000.

I guess you missed the part where the employee was never informed of such contract and\or any obligations of the employees per such contract. (If there were indeed any such obligations) Hell, there are tons of sponsors of NFL teams that have locations outside of the immediate area.

In the big scheme of things, this could of been handled better on both ends, instead of turning into a penis size contest.

[347Mike]

I guess you missed the part where the employee was never informed of such contract and\or any obligations of the employees per such contract. (If there were indeed any such obligations) Hell, there are tons of sponsors of NFL teams that have locations outside of the immediate area.

In the big scheme of things, this could of been handled better on both ends, instead of turning into a penis size contest.

I think you are getting a little to technical for no reason at all.

Short answer is: I didn't know your boss had to explain himself everytime he had a request. With that being said, do what is asked of you.

[94form2000z]

Title should be "Guy gets fired for being dumbass at work!".
Got a job and like it? If so do what you're told and keep it, simple enough.

[Gargamel]

Exactly. Being fired is usually the result of poor decision-making on the employee's part. This clown made a poor decision by wearing the tie in the first place and then made another poor decision by not doing what his boss asked him to do. I'm sure he'll move on to the next dealership and work there for 6 weeks before doing something stupid again.

In general, you are probably right...

But you would be crazy if the Skins and and Girls met in the playoffs, and the Skins somehow magically won, I wouldn't be sportin a Skins tie at work.

Although I don't know if I'd do it while trying to sell cars to girls fans...

[Wicked98Snake]

One of my old bosses told me that if he wanted me to answer the phone while standing on one leg and holding my left arm up I better damn well do it because that was the rule! He was right and I always think back to that when dealing with my workers now. I dont care what the rule is it is THE RULE!!!!!!!!

[red95gts]

In general, you are probably right...

But you would be crazy if the Skins and and Girls met in the playoffs, and the Skins somehow magically won, I wouldn't be sportin a Skins tie at work.

Although I don't know if I'd do it while trying to sell cars to girls fans...

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that:

- Your employer doesn't make generous donations to the Girls

- You have been employed there longer than 6 weeks

- You aren't attempting to sell products to the general public

[Gargamel]

I think you are getting a little to technical for no reason at all.

Short answer is: I didn't know your boss had to explain himself everytime he had a request. With that being said, do what is asked of you.

In most respects I would agree with you....

But in this situation I would expect at least a short explanation from my manager about why Joe has a Chicago tie and I can't have a Green Bay tie.


Common respect and courtesy is a 2 way street for normal adults.

I think what this guy did was stupid.

He lives in Chicago trying to sell cars to customers... who are probably Chicago fans.

But I also think he shouldn't have been fired for it.

[Gargamel]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that:

- Your employer doesn't make generous donations to the Girls

- You have been employed there longer than 6 weeks

- You aren't attempting to sell products to the general public

1. WTH does it matter who my employer makes donations to?
They could be the official sponsor of the Cowboys' Jock Strap cleaning unit, who cares?

2. Yes, I have been employed there for many years, with stock in the company.

3. If I was customer facing, they couldn't see my Redskins computer background now could they?

Like I said... The dude was stupid to do what he did... but for someone to lose a job over the outcome of a football game is moronic on every level on both ends.

Sad really...

[Wicked98Snake]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=6056888

OAK LAWN, Ill. -- A car salesman in suburban Chicago has been fired for refusing to remove a Green Bay Packers tie that he wore to work the day after the Packers beat the Chicago Bears to advance to the Super Bowl.
Mike and Mike in the Morning


Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic discuss the story of a Packers fan being fired from his job as a salesman at a Chicago car dealership for wearing a Packers tie to work on Monday. Was the firing justified?
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John Stone, 34, says he wore the Packers tie to work Monday at Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn to honor his late grandmother, who was a big Green Bay fan.
The sentimental gesture did not impress his boss, Jerry Roberts.
Roberts adds that Stone was offered five chances to take off the tie but he refused.
"If he loves the tie more than his job, he's welcome to keep wearing it -- elsewhere," Roberts said, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
Stone was furious when he spoke to the newspaper.
"He said, 'You have two options,'" Stone said, according to the newspaper. "Remove the tie, or you're fired.





"When I didn't, he said, 'You can leave, you're fired.' Does that sound fair to you?"
Stone is a father of two who had worked at the dealership for a month and a half, according to the newspaper. He said that he has been a Packers fan since he saw running back Ahman Green play.
"I liked the way he played, and I liked Brett Favre before he left, and I love Aaron Rodgers, the coaching staff -- the whole organization," he said, according to the newspaper.
Roberts told the newspaper that Stone was a good salesman who sold 14 cars last month and that no customers had complained about the tie. Stone agreed.
"I was just showing my love for my team and it was a nice, smart tie that matched my clothes -- none of the customers minded: They had a sense of humor about it," he said.
Roberts says the dealership has done promotions involving the Bears and he was afraid the tie could alienate the team's fans and make it harder to sell cars.
"We spend $20,000 a month on advertising with the Bears on WBBM during the season, and we have Bears players including Corey Wootton driving loaner vehicles, and here was a salesman openly undoing that work," Roberts said, according to the Sun-Times.
Stone told The Dan Patrick Show on Tuesday that he didn't know the dealership had a deal with the Bears. And looking back he said he wishes "I wouldn't have worn it all."
Roberts said that Stone's timing was bad.
"If he'd worn the tie on Saturday I wouldn't have minded," he said, according to the paper. And if the Bears had won, Roberts said, "I suspect he wouldn't have worn the tie."
It looks like Stone, like his beloved Packers, lives to fight another day. He told Patrick that he landed a new job at a Chevy dealership Tuesday morning.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

They should make this story into a "that's what it's all about" NFL commercial, LOL

[347Mike]

1. WTH does it matter who my employer makes donations to?
They could be the official sponsor of the Cowboys' Jock Strap cleaning unit, who cares?

2. Yes, I have been employed there for many years, with stock in the company.

3. If I was customer facing, they couldn't see my Redskins computer background now could they?

Like I said... The dude was stupid to do what he did... but for someone to lose a job over the outcome of a football game is moronic on every level on both ends.

Sad really...

I see your point but when it is all said and done his fate was in his hands. All he had to do was obey a simple request. I mean, seriously, 5 times? My dog learns new tricks on the fifth time, surely a human being can comprehend what is being asked after the first 4.