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    The town of San Rafael, Calif., has passed a ban on smoking that city officials have called the most stringent in the nation. The new ordinance makes it illegal for residents to smoke in their own homes if they share a wall with another dwelling.

    The ban applies to owners and renters alike, and it covers condominiums, co-ops, apartments and any multi-family residence containing three or more units.

    Rebecca Woodbury, an analyst at the San Rafael City Manager's office, helped craft the ban, which took effect Nov.14. "We based it on a county ordinance," she told ABC News, "but we modified it, and ended up making it the strictest. I'm not aware of any ordinance that's stronger."

    Cities with similar but less severe smoking restrictions include Cambridge, Mass., and other California cities, including Walnut Creek and Tiburon. In June, the Related Companies became the first developer and property owner to ban smoking in all 40,000 of its rental residences in 17 states.


    Jessica Scaperotti, a spokeswoman for Related, said the ban had been popular. "There are more people who want to live in smoke-free environments than there are apartments available. Demand far exceeds supply."

    The provisions that make San Rafael's rule unique, said Woodbury, include the prohibition on smoking in dwellings that share a wall, including owner-occupied condos, duplexes and multi-family units. "It doesn't matter if it's owner-occupied or renter-occupied. We didn't want to discriminate. The distinguishing feature is the shared wall."

    As justification for the rule, she cited studies showing that secondhand smoke seeped through ventilating ducts and walls, even through cracks. "It depends on a building's construction," she said, "but it does affect the unit next door, with the negative health impacts due to smoke."

    The ordinance cites such studies, plus a 2011 study by UCLA that found that California property owners paid up to $18 million a year to clean apartments vacated by tenants who'd smoked.

    Asked if there was opposition to the ordinance, Woodbury said there was hardly any. "We have a very low percentage of smokers in the county," she said, referring to Marin.

    George Koodray, New Jersey state coordinator for Citizens Freedom Alliance and the Smoker's Club, called San Rafael's rule and ones like it "mischievous." Years ago, he said, when restrictions on smoking were first introduced, "the spirit of the legislation was supposedly to protect people who did not want to be exposed to smoke." Today, he said, the motivating spirit had changed: People disapprove of the habit, and wish to restrict it whether or not it affects them directly. Bans like San Rafael's, he believes, are far removed from being a sincere effort to bring about a health benefit.

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    "I don't believe it's rooted in science," said Koodray, who is president of the Metropolitan Society, a group of New Jersey cigar smokers. "Someone smoking in a sealed apartment endangers the health of others in the building? The science for that is spurious at best."

    Steve Stanek, a research fellow at the Chicago-based Heartland Institute, which he calls a free market-oriented public policy group, views the San Rafael ban as part of a wider trend: a proliferation of rules of all kinds.

    "I don't like cigarettes, and I've never taken a puff," he said. "My sympathies aren't with smokers because I am one, it's because of the huge growth in laws and punishments and government restricting people more and more." Illinois' criminal code was 72 pages long in 1965, he said; today it's more than 1,300 pages long. "The encroachment of government is astonishing," he said.

    A look around the U.S. finds towns and cities busily regulating anything and everything:

    Plastic bags will be banned in Los Angeles after the first of the year. They're already banned in San Jose, Calif.

    Austin, Texas, bans both plastic and paper bags from grocery stores.

    San Francisco tried to ban fast-food meals that came with toys.

    Forest Park, Ga., in 2011 made it illegal to breastfeed in public a child older than 2. After public protest, the ban was lifted.

    Cocoa, Fla., makes it illegal to wear baggy pants on city streets.

    Palo Alto, Calif., makes it illegal to live in your car.

    And under Section 63-19-2430 of the South Carolina code, it's illegal for a minor under the age of 18 to play a pinball machine.

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    Originally posted by Buzzo
    Some dudes jump out of airplanes, I fuck hookers without condoms.

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    No mo puff puff pass?!?!


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    • #3
      I'm not a smoker any longer and hate it, but that's bullshit right there. The individual freedoms keep disappearing because big bro knows what's best for you.

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      • #4
        Complete BS, just like the rest of the CA laws.
        Originally posted by Buzzo
        Some dudes jump out of airplanes, I fuck hookers without condoms.

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        • #5
          And all these fucking californians are spanning out across the US, bringing their fucking up utopian ideologies with them and voting in our states. Such a fucking shithole that state is.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lo3oz View Post
            Such a fucking shithole that state is.
            It'd be an awesome state without all of those assholes living in it.
            Originally posted by Buzzo
            Some dudes jump out of airplanes, I fuck hookers without condoms.

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            • #7
              I agree, beautiful place ruined by 95% of its population. In oregon they have "Save Oregon - Nuke California" and "Feel free to visit but GO THE HELL HOME" buper stickers for their neighbors to the south.

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              • #8
                Smokers?
                Originally posted by davbrucas
                I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by slow99 View Post
                  Smokers?
                  Fucking IPhone/Android!!!!1

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lo3oz View Post
                    I agree, beautiful place ruined by 95% of its population. In oregon they have "Save Oregon - Nuke California" and "Feel free to visit but GO THE HELL HOME" buper stickers for their neighbors to the south.
                    I always liked the Classic, "Don't Californicate Colorado". however it's too late, Colorado has been taken over by them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by slow99 View Post
                      Smokers?
                      No, I meant to put smokes.

                      Originally posted by Buzzo
                      Some dudes jump out of airplanes, I fuck hookers without condoms.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
                        I always liked the Classic, "Don't Californicate Colorado". however it's too late, Colorado has been taken over by them.
                        Ha!

                        and nice ninja edit

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                        • #13
                          quit bitching. you should be vaping anyway.

                          god bless.
                          It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men -Frederick Douglass

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                          • #14
                            I've got no problem with it. My neighbor at my last apartment smoked and it fucking stunk up the building
                            http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                              I've got no problem with it. My neighbor at my last apartment smoked and it fucking stunk up the building
                              I just think that there are better ways to deal with an issue, rather than just making a law for it, which is rather ridiculous.
                              1) Confront the person, asking them politely to do so elsewhere.
                              2) Ask the landlord if that should be allowed, and if he could do something about it. (If he permitted smoking in his apartments, then that's that. He chose a smoker building so he could, well, smoke in it.)
                              3) Leave. If it can't be resolved, move to another apartment.

                              Yea, those measures are ridiculous to have to take do to another person's disregard for common courtesy, but so be it. If I feel like I want to light up a smoke in my living quarters, then that's my decision. If the person who owns the building has a problem with it, I'll get what I deserve.
                              Originally posted by Buzzo
                              Some dudes jump out of airplanes, I fuck hookers without condoms.

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