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    Just read about this, but it kinda sends up the BS flag to me... why would they announce it to the public ?

    A new hypersonic spy plane, capable of flying up to six times faster than the speed of sound, is being developed by aerospace giant Lockheed Martin Corp., according to company officials.

    The new aircraft, known as the SR-72, is the unmanned successor to Lockheed's SR-71 Blackbird, a twin-engine, two-seater, supersonic aircraft that was developed in the 1960s. The company's new spy plane will be able to fly twice as fast as the Blackbird and three times faster than current fighter jets, accelerating to Mach 6, which is six times the speed of sound, or more than 3,500 mph (5,600 km/h).

    The hypersonic SR-72 also will be able to fly to any location within an hour, which could be revolutionary for the military, said Brad Leland, Lockheed Martin's program manager for hypersonics. [In Photos: The 10 Fastest Military Airplanes]

    "Hypersonic is the new stealth," Leland told Reuters. "Your adversaries cannot hide or move their critical assets. They will be found. That becomes a game-changer."

    Furthermore, Lockheed is designing the spy plane using existing technology, which could help the company develop a prototype in five or six years for under $1 billion, he added.

    Lockheed is aiming to fly a missile to demonstrate the new technology as early as 2018, and Leland said operational SR-72s could be in service by 2030, according to Aviation Week, which was first to report on the new project.

    "What we are doing is defining a missile that would have a small incremental cost to go at hypersonic speed," Leland told Reuters.

    The SR-72 is being developed by Skunk Works, Lockheed's California-based advanced research program that previously worked on the SR-71 Blackbird and the famed U-2 spy plane.

    The hypersonic SR-72 will feature a two-phase propulsion system, which uses a basic jet turbine to accelerate the plane to Mach 3. Lockheed is collaborating with rocket and missile propulsion manufacturer Aerojet Rocketdyne to incorporate this turbine with an air-breathing, supersonic ramjet engine to propel the vehicle from standstill to Mach 6.

    The new spy plane will build upon Lockheed's previous experimental hypersonic programs, such as the Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2, or HTV-2, which was developed as part of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA's) Falcon Project.

    In 2011, the unmanned, arrow-shaped HTV-2 glider reached Mach 20 and controlled itself for approximately three minutes, before crashing into the Pacific Ocean. During the flight, surface temperatures on the vehicle reached 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit (1,930 degrees Celsius), which is hotter than a blast furnace capable of melting steel.

    The SR-72's predecessor, the SR-71 Blackbird, could accelerate to Mach 3.3 (more than 2,200 mph, or 3,540 km/h) at an altitude of 80,000 feet (24,400 m). The Blackbird made its first flight in December 1964, and was flown by the U.S. Air Force until 1998. The two-seater aircraft was capable of outracing potential threats during reconnaissance missions, including being able to accelerate and out-fly surface-to-air missiles if it was detected.
    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

  • #2
    With modern satellite recon, aren't spy planes obsolete?
    Originally posted by lincolnboy
    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
      With modern satellite recon, aren't spy planes obsolete?
      For most satellites flyover times are predictable, and therefore avoidable. Also, it could be faster to get a plane over new target than repositioning a satellite.

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      • #4
        Anyone seen anything weird over Ft Worth lately?

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        • #5
          Hyper-so-nice?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KWClutch View Post
            Anyone seen anything weird over Ft Worth lately?
            There is a jackass flying in on Airforce One today.

            Stevo
            Originally posted by SSMAN
            ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
              For most satellites flyover times are predictable, and therefore avoidable. Also, it could be faster to get a plane over new target than repositioning a satellite.
              Ah, valid point.

              I am interested to hear more about this. The SR71 has always fascinated me, but something about this being unmanned kind of takes away some of the allure.
              Originally posted by lincolnboy
              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
                Hyper-so-nice?
                Try it on ice. So nice.

                Stevo
                Originally posted by SSMAN
                ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                • #9
                  Pros, It will create jobs. Cons, the chinese probably already stole the plans and have a prototype.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                    Ah, valid point.

                    I am interested to hear more about this. The SR71 has always fascinated me, but something about this being unmanned kind of takes away some of the allure.
                    That is the future of USAF aviation. They are already working on the next generation fighter. One of the big requirements is that they build two versions of the fighter; one manned, one unmanned.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CJ-95GT View Post
                      Pros, It will create jobs. Cons, the chinese probably already stole the plans and have a prototype.
                      Yeah, it would be tragic if they built another piece of yard art based on an American design.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                        With modern satellite recon, aren't spy planes obsolete?
                        There are lots of reasons, one of the best speeches on the subject was given by an admiral the day the SR71 was slated for mothballs in defense of why the planes were still essential:

                        Due to increasing unease about political conditions in the Middle East and North Korea, the U.S. Congress re-examined the SR-71 beginning in 1993. At a hearing of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senator J. James Exon asked Admiral Richard C. Macke:

                        If we have the satellite intelligence that you collectively would like us to have, would that type of system eliminate the need for an SR-71… Or even if we had this blanket up there that you would like in satellites, do we still need an SR-71?

                        Macke replied,
                        From the operator's perspective, what I need is something that will not give me just a spot in time but will give me a track of what is happening. When we are trying to find out if the Serbs are taking arms, moving tanks or artillery into Bosnia, we can get a picture of them stacked up on the Serbian side of the bridge. We do not know whether they then went on to move across that bridge. We need the [data] that a tactical, an SR-71, a U-2, or an unmanned vehicle of some sort, will give us, in addition to, not in replacement of, the ability of the satellites to go around and check not only that spot but a lot of other spots around the world for us. It is the integration of strategic and tactical."

                        Rear Admiral Thomas F. Hall addressed the question of why the SR-71 was retired, saying it was under "the belief that, given the time delay associated with mounting a mission, conducting a reconnaissance, retrieving the data, processing it, and getting it out to a field commander, that you had a problem in timeliness that was not going to meet the tactical requirements on the modern battlefield. And the determination was that if one could take advantage of technology and develop a system that could get that data back real time… that would be able to meet the unique requirements of the tactical commander." Hall stated that "the Advanced Airborne Reconnaissance System, which was going to be an unmanned UAV" would meet the requirements but was not affordable at the time. He said that they were "looking at alternative means of doing [the job of the SR-71].
                        So basically, the SR71 was mothballed because it exceeded the technology for the time. They couldn't get the information quick enough from the plane to make the data useful. Now technology has caught up, and it once again is useful.
                        Last edited by CJ; 11-06-2013, 01:29 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Until they start putting huge bars of durasteel on satellites with rapidly adjustable orbits to strike at targets, we're still going to need spy planes and fighters. Still want DOKAWs.
                          I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                          • #14
                            Someone say Sonic ice?

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                            • #15
                              Understand the need for fighters, just was unsure of modern spy satellite capabilities and limitiations. Also, weaponizing space is illegal after The Gipper freaked the Soviets the fuck out.
                              Originally posted by lincolnboy
                              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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