Not entitled to a raise, ever?

[bcoop]

I agree raises should absolutely be earned, and she is not the type to expect anything she hasn't worked hard for.

Very strange to understand the intention of the letter. But you may be right it is to protect themselves from someone wanting to play the victim card to get something for free.

Coincidentally her old company contacted her today as well asking her to come back.

Quite the dilemma as the new position:

-healthy-ish bump in Salary
-Free breakfast/snack each day
-Free lunch twice a week.
-24 hour available gym on-site
-100/mo cash allowance to cover medical/dental/vision
-slightly better benefits overall
-No micromanagement

No micro management would be enough for me to ride it out. If things go south, she can leave. I really don't think the letter is intending to give the impression that she won't ever get a raise. More so covering their ass over entitlements.

[Stephen]

No micro management would be enough for me to ride it out. If things go south, she can leave. I really don't think the letter is intending to give the impression that she won't ever get a raise. More so covering their ass over entitlements.

I was thinking the same... not saying she never will get one, but just wont get one for hitting the 6mo, 1yr, 10yr mark etc

[YALE]

No micro management would be enough for me to ride it out. If things go south, she can leave. I really don't think the letter is intending to give the impression that she won't ever get a raise. More so covering their ass over entitlements.

Exactly. Tell her to back the crazy train up, and take a good offer for what it is.

[Chili]

Again, I would counter the old company with an increase to compensate, then she can even use that as leverage to attempt to get a higher salary from the new job.

"Look, you didn't tell me about the no raise thing before you hired me. My old employer has offered me "X" salary to come back, I would prefer to stay here but with you now asking me to sign this letter, I don't know that I am comfortable doing so without a higher salary. Had I known that was the case (no raises) prior accepting your job offer, I would have factored that into my salary requirements."

[bcoop]

Again, I would counter the old company with an increase to compensate, then she can even use that as leverage to attempt to get a higher salary from the new job.

"Look, you didn't tell me about the no raise thing before you hired me. My old employer has offered me "X" salary to come back, I would prefer to stay here but with you now asking me to sign this letter, I don't know that I am comfortable doing so without a higher salary. Had I known that was the case (no raises) prior accepting your job offer, I would have factored that into my salary requirements."

I don't disagree. She has leverage, and you should ALWAYS use your leverage to maximize potential. That said, if she's micro managed at her old job, she ought to be careful in how hard she pushes. I know I would if it were me. No amount of money is worth being micro managed IMO.

[Chili]

I don't disagree. She has leverage, and you should ALWAYS use your leverage to maximize potential. That said, if she's micro managed at her old job, she ought to be careful in how hard she pushes. I know I would if it were me. No amount of money is worth being micro managed IMO.

Good point. But if she has only been at the new place for less than a week, does she really know that the new working environment will be any better?

It's a tricky choice if you can get some competing offers without burning bridges, but not many people get the opportunity to do that, especially with how the job market is at the moment.

[Sean88gt]

Sounds like an EWB letter to help the company out.

(Employed While Black)

[mustang_revival]

So she asked around and got clarification:

She would never get a raise unless she is promoted to a Director Position, which the CFO is taking the role of and doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon.

Same for all Finance/Accounting/Billing/AP/AR positions. I suppose they try to keep their operating costs at a minimum to show maximum profitability.

I just asked if she would get an annual bonus based on performance to compensate and she said they only do annual profit sharing based off overall company performance.

[TexasT]

Better update her careerbuilder and monster profiles to ensure a raise in the future.
And companies wonder why there isn't any loyalty.

[Binky]

Usually compnaies TRY to put their best foot forward when hiring someone.

Then you find out all the negative BS afterwards.

Count it as a blessing she is seeing the crap surface before walking in the door. Its probably worse inside.

[Vertnut]

I agree raises should absolutely be earned, and she is not the type to expect anything she hasn't worked hard for.

Very strange to understand the intention of the letter. But you may be right it is to protect themselves from someone wanting to play the victim card to get something for free.

Coincidentally her old company contacted her today as well asking her to come back.

Quite the dilemma as the new position:

-healthy-ish bump in Salary
-Free breakfast/snack each day
-Free lunch twice a week.
-24 hour available gym on-site
-100/mo cash allowance to cover medical/dental/vision
-slightly better benefits overall
-No micromanagement

You forgot "no raise. Ever." Hmm. Might be worth taking a shot at getting the old job back. At least it's the devil you know, instead of the devil you don't.

[ceyko]

Too many variables to say one way or another one this one. Is it good experience where 1-3 years without a raise would pay off somewhere else?

[2011GT]

Why did she leave the old job in the first place?

[mustang_revival]

The new job is good experience and could be a good stepping stone to migrate internally to a higher paying position..

Her old job was with a major newspaper essentially and they had a grandiose idea of off shoring her department overseas to India and Malaysia. Problem is English is their second language and they aren't that good at accounting anyway. Her old company is now trying to hire back some key players to act as SMEs to support these guys. So its a sinking ship anyway.

So sticking with this new gig for the next 2 years or so and using it as a stepping stone internally or externally may be her best move. Unless the old company will give her a long term contract and Choo Choo money.

[talisman]

The new job could be a good stepping stone to migrate internally to a higher paying position..

Her old job was with a major newspaper essentially and they had a grandiose idea of off shoring her department overseas to India and Malaysia. Problem is English is their second language and they aren't that good at accounting anyway. Her old company is now trying to hire back some key players to act as SMEs to support these guys. So its a sinking ship anyway.

So sticking with this new gig for the next 2 years or so and using it as a stepping stone internally or externally may be her best move. Unless the old company will give her a long term contract and Choo Choo money.

Sounds like the best course of action. Print is dead.