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    Talking about tragic.

    A California Highway Patrol report says catastrophic failure of the rear suspension system was the cause of the limo fire that killed five nurses.






    REDWOOD CITY, Calif. — Some screamed. Some cried. Some soberly described what they saw. Few could believe it. A limousine sat on a San Francisco Bay Area bridge, engulfed in flames, with people still inside.

    Recordings of the 911 calls released Monday captured witnesses, including some who had just escaped the limo, recounting the last moments of the five nurses who died inside, as authorities said a mechanical problem was behind the fire that killed them and no crime was committed.

    One call was from a woman who said she was a passenger and there were people burning inside the limo as a dispatcher, struggling to understand her, tried to get her to stop screaming.

    "Oh, my god! Oh, my god!" an unidentified woman can be heard saying in one call.

    "Get out! Get out!" a man can be heard saying in another.

    Related: Report: Limo driver on phone before fatal fire

    A rescuer sounds almost resigned as he tells an operator that he didn't know how the people inside could be saved.

    "The rear of the limo is fully engulfed, and the doors are locked," the man says. "I don't think there is anything we can do."

    Investigators said one of the rear doors had the child lock engaged, preventing it from being opened from the inside. The limo was too burned for investigators to determine if the lock was engaged on the other side.

    The May 4 fire broke out on the San Mateo-Hayward Bridge while nurse Neriza Fojas, one of the five killed, was celebrating her recent wedding with a group of friends. Four other friends inside the limo, and the driver, survived.

    A catastrophic failure of the rear suspension system was the cause of the fire, California Highway Patrol Capt. Mike Maskarich said at a news conference Monday. The air suspension failure allowed the spinning driveshaft to contact the floor pan, causing friction that ignited carpets and set the 1999 Lincoln Town Car on fire, according to the CHP's report on the incident.

    The findings meant no criminal charges would be filed.

    "Some tragedies are crimes and some are not, and this one is not," San Mateo County District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said at the news conference.

    The California Public Utilities Commission, which regulates limousines in the state, was fining the operator $1,500 for having nine passengers in the limo that was only authorized to hold eight.

    In interviews with investigators, the survivors described a harrowing escape.

    Amalia Loyola, speaking from the hospital hours after the fire, said she had to push one friend through the window as another friend pulled her out the driver's door, according to the investigation report.

    "When I was getting out of the limousine, the partition was so small my hips got stuck between the partition and the small ledge. I was hanging out headfirst," she said.

    Loyola would be the last one out.

    "We all waited for other people to get out, but no one did," said another survivor, Jasmin Deguia, according to the report.

    The limo's driver, Orville Brown, 46, of San Jose, told investigators that at first he misunderstood one of the passengers when she knocked on the partition window.

    "I thought she was asking if she could smoke," Brown said in interview transcripts.

    He said seconds later, the women knocked again, this time screaming, "Smoke, smoke!" and "Pull over."

    Brown said he got out and "tried to call 911, but it was busy."

    Another passenger, Grace Guardiano, said the driver was "standing out there on his phone," after stopping the limo.

    "He did not open the doors," Guardiano said. "I went out through the partition and called 911 from outside."

    Brown said he helped the four survivors escape through the partition. One of the women ran around to a rear passenger door, but by then the vehicle was engulfed in flames.

    The investigation found that the suspension and axle travel stops for the differential failed, allowing the spinning driveshaft to rub directly underneath the floor panel.

    "The heat and possibly sparks, generated from the friction ... ignited the materials covering the floorboard," the report said. Those materials were the carpet in the backseat.

    The report doesn't pinpoint why the suspension failed, but it said those failures "occur with some frequency, due to the normal wear and aging of the various components."

    The probe found no indication that an electrical failure or gas from the fuel system contributed.

    While the chain of events that led to the accident may be unusual, some vehicle safety advocates were troubled that a fire not fed by gasoline could engulf the vehicle.

    "Not many vehicles would have that type of failure, nonetheless the overriding question is why does a limousine have so many flammable materials in it? That's what concerns me as a safety advocate," said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety, a consumer advocacy group.

    Fatal accidents involving limousines are rare. From 2002 through 2011, 31 limousine passengers or drivers died in 21 crashes, according to data kept by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Only three of those deaths were related to a fire, all in 2003.

  • #2
    Seems like the driver should've noticed the rear of the car sitting low enough to cause the drive shaft to rub the bottom. Then again if his first response to fire is to call 911 rather than get people out he might be that dense.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cool cat View Post
      Seems like the driver should've noticed the rear of the car sitting low enough to cause the drive shaft to rub the bottom. Then again if his first response to fire is to call 911 rather than get people out he might be that dense.
      Apparently you have never dealt with employees and company vehicles, eventually nothing will surprise you.

      Sad deal for the nurses and their families.

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      • #4
        Why does a limo have so many flammable materials in it?? Are they seriously pulling that card?

        I do not know how any one can sit in a car, on the back seat while a driveshaft is rubbing and not know. How can Is that possible? It didn't just spark up and ignite immediately.

        How come they couldn't exit through the front? Something is wrong here.

        Very weird how no one tried to do anything as it was burning down the road. No 911 calls or anything. ??

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        • #5
          How can people not know to unlock the doors manually to get out? Yes one had a child lock, but what about the other??? Windows are pretty easy to break from the inside too. It's tragic, but I just don't get it. Grab a seat belt buckle and smash the window.

          What a horrible way to go.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SSMAN View Post
            How can people not know to unlock the doors manually to get out? Yes one had a child lock, but what about the other??? Windows are pretty easy to break from the inside too. It's tragic, but I just don't get it. Grab a seat belt buckle and smash the window.

            What a horrible way to go.
            maybe the smoke was getting to them, along with panic? It sounds terrible, but they are women in there, and like my wife says, women get emotional and throw logic out the window.
            "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Baron View Post
              maybe the smoke was getting to them, along with panic?
              This.

              I've watched my wife screw up in the kitchen when we are entertaining, they are too busy clucking away that they lose focus on the shit going on around them. A few of them probably smelled smoke and didn't say anything until it started filling the back of the limo. Once the fire got some air it really ignited and I'm sure they were not going to jump out of a moving car and before you know it, the smoke overcame them.


              Some sad shit for sure...
              Originally posted by Silverback
              Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 91CoupeMike View Post
                Why does a limo have so many flammable materials in it?? Are they seriously pulling that card?

                I do not know how any one can sit in a car, on the back seat while a driveshaft is rubbing and not know. How can Is that possible? It didn't just spark up and ignite immediately.

                How come they couldn't exit through the front? Something is wrong here.

                Very weird how no one tried to do anything as it was burning down the road. No 911 calls or anything. ??
                Dude, did you read any of the article?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jluv View Post
                  Dude, did you read any of the article?
                  You know damn well that youngster doesn't know how to read...
                  Originally posted by Silverback
                  Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                  • #10
                    Any one here carry an emergency kit with a window breaker, knife to cut seat belts, or fire extinguisher. i dont know any one that carries this stuff with them.

                    R.I.P

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lincolnboy View Post
                      Any one here carry an emergency kit with a window breaker, knife to cut seat belts, or fire extinguisher. i dont know any one that carries this stuff with them.

                      R.I.P
                      I carry a small first aid kit, flares, triangle emergency reflectors, 2 small multi-class fire extinguishers, a portable air compressor, and a 12v spotlight behind my trucks back seat. I keep a couple of knives in my center console along with a VERY bright LED flashlight. Several pairs of fire retardent gloves are hidden in both door pockets within easy reach. Don't have a specific glass breaker but I do have a toolbox with a standard hammer..and if worst came to worst I could use my 9mm to shoot out a window.

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                      • #12
                        One of those automatic punches pressed into the corner of a window works great for busting a window. I would say far better than a hammer. You never know when you might be injured or contorted in such a way you can't swing one of those little emergency hammers.

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                        • #13
                          Isn't this story a few months old?
                          An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.

                          -Victor Hugo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 0 GT 2 View Post
                            Isn't this story a few months old?
                            I'm in Reno on business and just saw it on the news last night

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 0 GT 2 View Post
                              Isn't this story a few months old?
                              It happened on May 4th, they just announced what they think the cause was. Definitely a tragedy and in one industry that really doesn't have much regulation.

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