Marijuana stops child's severe seizures

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The thing is, she's not getting high. It's the other chemical CBD (not THC) that seems to be helping her. Maybe some Drs need to do some official studies now? The article said that the other Drs wouldn't prescribe it to her because they thought she was too young, not because it wouldn't help control the seizures. Apparently, there's nothing that cures this.

I had a dog that had cluster seizures & it nearly killed me. I can't imagine if it were my child & no doctor could "cure" her or even really help her. I'd lose my damn mind.

So why isnt this article "CBD a derivative of the cannabis plant helps little girl with seizures". Nope, let just go way out and try and push a liberal agenda of legalizing marijuana. Not only is it not necessarily marijuana (it is the CBD, it sure doesnt stop the seizures, it helps it. The kiddo still has seizures.

We use all sorts of narcotics and what not as medicines everyday. There just hasnt been enough evidence to convince the AMA that marijuana should be used as a treatment across the US. Sure isnt enough to convince the government.

[Chili]

So why isnt this article "CBD a derivative of the cannabis plant helps little girl with seizures".

Because the media in this country are disgusting sensationalists, that's why.

There is a story on AOL today with the headline:
"Cheerleader arrested in Texas shooting rampage"

When you click on the story it was a dude.. One of those fat Mav Maniacs guys. But of course, they want to draw your attention with the stupid headline by making you think it was a hot chick.

[SSMAN]

Half the women I dated (30 years ago) used it for cramps during that time of the month

[Baron Von Crowder]

So why isnt this article "CBD a derivative of the cannabis plant helps little girl with seizures". Nope, let just go way out and try and push a liberal agenda of legalizing marijuana. Not only is it not necessarily marijuana (it is the CBD, it sure doesnt stop the seizures, it helps it. The kiddo still has seizures.

We use all sorts of narcotics and what not as medicines everyday. There just hasnt been enough evidence to convince the AMA that marijuana should be used as a treatment across the US. Sure isnt enough to convince the government.

I dont know if I understand your theory there, Tim.

Since the AMA and the USGOV dont want to look at it as having any medicinal use, its fiddle faddle? On one hand, you post up that you dont like big pharm, and then you turn around and say that if it isnt good enough for big pharm...

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Why's that?

He just seems to be a pretty wise person. He's been on here for so long, and it seems to me that he has a good head on his shoulders. You also can't be a complete dumbass, and work in an ER. You've got to have some level of intelligence.

We use all sorts of narcotics and what not as medicines everyday. There just hasnt been enough evidence to convince the AMA that marijuana should be used as a treatment across the US. Sure isnt enough to convince the government.

And half the narcotics doctors use, are rushed through for FDA approval without sufficient studies, can be dangerous, and the side effects in many cases are worse than the problem being treated.


You're hung up on the kid still having seizures. Nobody claimed a cure. There is no cure. If it cuts it that drastically, and it was my kid, I would absolutely pursue this possible avenue.


I have a feeling that in the near future, as more and more of these old, close minded codgers get out of medicine, it will at least gain the attention required to get some real research funding. JMO of course.

[Txstang1]

I think it's great that the little girl is able to live a somewhat normal life now. I cant imagine the hell she must have been going through. The parents too !!

Charlotte's web FTMFW !!

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I dont know if I understand your theory there, Tim.

Since the AMA and the USGOV dont want to look at it as having any medicinal use, its fiddle faddle? On one hand, you post up that you dont like big pharm, and then you turn around and say that if it isnt good enough for big pharm...

Baron... Im in between. Im a believer in scientific proven medicines. I think there is some corruption with bid pharma and the government but there just isnt much we can do about it.

Im saying if we want to treat Dravet Syndrome, the proper thing to do in any scientific way is to do a controlled study. And not just one. You need a large sample size. This poor kiddo in the story is not enough evidence to prove something works. What if this was the ONLY kid in a study that CDB helped? What are the harmful side effects of CBD at an early age? What are the life long effects of CBD?

I find a bunch of people here to just want to legalize marijuana and pull stories like this to prove their point. One person out of the 300+ million in the US alone does not prove anything. Maybe it isnt CBD in the cannabis that is helping, maybe it is some other chemical. They dont know and we dont know. Everything is based off a guess. If all these pot smoking people want to legalize medicinal marijuana, then they need to prove its function through science and bring it up to the medical world. If there is enough supporting evidence based on true scientific studies, it will change. Until then, it is just a people who want to smoke pot legally. We already have a prescribed dug pandemic... we dont need a bunch more idiots smoking pot all day long. I dont care how safe you say it is. Wait until you or your family member is in the hospital due to the effects of smoking pot or someone else smoking pot and found a way to hurt them.

If we take rare instances where people appear to be helped by something and we dont dive into it and know how and why it works, we might as well all buy the $50 Jesus spring water on TV because we will all get the $50k checks that we need, paralyzed people will walk again, and people will be cured of cancer. I saw it on TV, it must be real. Just like this article...one doctor wrote one article on one child. Must be real.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Baron... Im in between. Im a believer in scientific proven medicines. I think there is some corruption with bid pharma and the government but there just isnt much we can do about it.

Im saying if we want to treat Dravet Syndrome, the proper thing to do in any scientific way is to do a controlled study. And not just one. You need a large sample size. This poor kiddo in the story is not enough evidence to prove something works. What if this was the ONLY kid in a study that CDB helped? What are the harmful side effects of CBD at an early age? What are the life long effects of CBD?

I find a bunch of people here to just want to legalize marijuana and pull stories like this to prove their point. One person out of the 300+ million in the US alone does not prove anything. Maybe it isnt CBD in the cannabis that is helping, maybe it is some other chemical. They dont know and we dont know. Everything is based off a guess. If all these pot smoking people want to legalize medicinal marijuana, then they need to prove its function through science and bring it up to the medical world. If there is enough supporting evidence based on true scientific studies, it will change. Until then, it is just a people who want to smoke pot legally. We already have a prescribed dug pandemic... we dont need a bunch more idiots smoking pot all day long. I dont care how safe you say it is. Wait until you or your family member is in the hospital due to the effects of smoking pot or someone else smoking pot and found a way to hurt them.

If we take rare instances where people appear to be helped by something and we dont dive into it and know how and why it works, we might as well all buy the $50 Jesus spring water on TV because we will all get the $50k checks that we need, paralyzed people will walk again, and people will be cured of cancer. I saw it on TV, it must be real. Just like this article...one doctor wrote one article on one child. Must be real.

Im not sure that it is as black and white as you make it sound, but I agree that one case is not proving a lot, except maybe that the possibility of CBD being a viable option that deserves being explored.

Im not a big fan of the holistic(sp?) stuff, but I did have a doc that would discuss it, if you asked for his opinion. He made some good points with what he claimed, and some of it seems to help a bit. How do you feel about that stuff?

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Im not sure that it is as black and white as you make it sound, but I agree that one case is not proving a lot, except maybe that the possibility of CBD being a viable option that deserves being explored.

Im not a big fan of the holistic(sp?) stuff, but I did have a doc that would discuss it, if you asked for his opinion. He made some good points with what he claimed, and some of it seems to help a bit. How do you feel about that stuff?

Im not a huge fan of holistic health. My mom is Chinese so I have been raised around herbs and what not my whole life. Acupuncture vs chiropractic, herbs vs prescribed meds. I have taken care of a couple MD's that have tried their holistic health approach on themselves and failed miserably. One guy was an anesthesiologist that was on his way to an oxygen therapy seminar. His blood pressures on admission were 240s/120s. He completely stopped taking his meds with the hope that Slonicin (sp?) was going to control it. He also stated to CoQ10 (sp?) was a treatment for some other disease he had. Well, not so much. The guy was a quack and the cardiologist and internal medicine doctor actually googled his license to make sure he wasnt lying.

Im not against it though at work I will never suggest it. The problem lies that there are not scientific evidence to back up the natural supplements and herbs. Also, there is no study on how they interact with medications prescribed by doctors. I find that the all natural holistic health people try their way and come to the hospital for scientific, evidence based medicine when they need help. Then again, you have the crazies (Scientologists) who will pick and choose their treatment and expect to get better. Dont want to take Plavix for your stent after a heart attack? Ok, see you back here in a couple days with another heart attack.

Im a minimalist when it comes to prescribing medications. I believe in general that medications are way over prescribed due to the pathetic nature of people. They need a way to fix their illness. Most people dont want to suck it up. We had people visit the ER because they "almost threw up" or "almost had diarrhea". They want medications and an explanation for their illness. When children are hyper, parents want to have an excuse such as ADHD. They want a medicine to cure them.

[46Tbird]

I'm a big fan of FREEDOM. You know, that means do whatever you want as long as you're not stepping on someone else's toes. I look around and I see that pretty much everyone with a brain thinks a little pot is essentially harmless, and in some cases can be therapeutic. So I'm not sure why it's treated as a Schedule 1 drug when every day there are doctors and pharmacists pumping downright dangerous crap down peoples' throats. Oh wait, yes I do know why, there isn't any money to be made from people that can self-medicate.

Tim, you should be well aware of the placebo effect of people using acupuncture and rubbing oils on their skin, stupid shit like that. If they think it makes them feel better - then let them feel better.

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I think there is some corruption with bid pharma and the government but there just isnt much we can do about it.

That is like saying I think the sun is going to rise in the east today. The Pharmaceutical companies have to be some of the biggest juggernauts in the financial world right up there with big oil. To say that they have a little bit of pull in the govt is an understatement.

Im saying if we want to treat Dravet Syndrome, the proper thing to do in any scientific way is to do a controlled study. And not just one. You need a large sample size. This poor kiddo in the story is not enough evidence to prove something works. What if this was the ONLY kid in a study that CDB helped? What are the harmful side effects of CBD at an early age? What are the life long effects of CBD?

Agreed.

I find a bunch of people here to just want to legalize marijuana and pull stories like this to prove their point....... ......Until then, it is just a people who want to smoke pot legally. We already have a prescribed drug pandemic... we dont need a bunch more idiots smoking pot all day long. I dont care how safe you say it is. Wait until you or your family member is in the hospital due to the effects of smoking pot or someone else smoking pot and found a way to hurt them.

I am not a doctor but this is what I do know... Pot is a lot less dangerous or harmful to the body than beer or liquor is, it is completely non habit forming and does have some beneficial side affects for people who may be very sick. Now is it ever going to "cure" anything, I seriously doubt it. I would say that it would have more properties to make one comfortable rather than cure anything. One thing is for sure, it is not going to hurt you unless your method of consumption is smoking and you do it to the point that the same side affects that smoking cigarets would cause have set it. I cant speak about the side affects for growing kids, I just do not know about that.

On the other hand what about all of these drugs you see on tv that have gone through all the testing and jumped through all of the hoops that you would want a drug to and are being prescribed and taken daily by who knows how many people. The commercial states that it might cure your heart burn but it "may" cause upset stomach, diarrhea, constipation, lack of apatite, loss of vision or hearing, could cause your heart to explode or your brain to melt and if any of these symptoms arise you need to see your doctor immediately.... but hey dont worry about those cheddar peppers at sonic they aint gonna give you any heart burn if you are taking this "safe" stuff.

BTW, there is a lot of interesting shit on the TED talks stuff.

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All medications will have side effects... Heck what are the side effects of smoking pot? The goal is to have minimized side effects although there is a small part of the population the will not do well on certain meds. Lisinopril is a great example. It'sa a blood opressure medicine though in some it will cause angioedema and close off your airway. Well.. Just hope you are not that person. Some people are allergic to pollen some to meds. I'm sure there are people out there allergic to marijuana.

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I'm a big fan of FREEDOM. You know, that means do whatever you want as long as you're not stepping on someone else's toes. I look around and I see that pretty much everyone with a brain thinks a little pot is essentially harmless, and in some cases can be therapeutic. So I'm not sure why it's treated as a Schedule 1 drug when every day there are doctors and pharmacists pumping downright dangerous crap down peoples' throats. Oh wait, yes I do know why, there isn't any money to be made from people that can self-medicate.

Tim, you should be well aware of the placebo effect of people using acupuncture and rubbing oils on their skin, stupid shit like that. If they think it makes them feel better - then let them feel better.

Placebo effects are not cures or a valid treatment to legitimate problems. If CBD is a placebo effect should we start giving it to everyone and just let them be "better"? That is called bad medicine and will get a Dr in a lawsuit with a quickness. Trust me, I'm not a religious person by any means but when it helps people, I think the placebo effect is great. The difference is you are talking about regulated medical treatment.

[46Tbird]

Placebo effects are not cures or a valid treatment to legitimate problems. If CBD is a placebo effect should we start giving it to everyone and just let them be "better"? That is called bad medicine and will get a Dr in a lawsuit with a quickness.

Sure, why not? Are you trying to tell me that everything a doctor prescribes is beneficial to the patient? I've seen many more people killed by well-meaning medical staff than by ingesting a little cannabis. Is that what you would consider good medicine?

Trust me, I'm not a religious person by any means but when it helps people, I think the placebo effect is great. The difference is you are talking about regulated medical treatment.

No, I'm not talking about regulated medical treatment. I'm talking about letting people have the freedom to determine how they want to treat themselves.

[momo]

I don't care what anyone's opinion is on the legalization of marijuana. People getting high for their own pleasure has nothing to do with the simple fact that cannibis should not be an FDA schedule 1 controlled substance. If you disagree, you are completely wrong and it is because you are a closed minded irrational human being. It should be an option for doctors to prescribe marijuana. Reducing it to a class 3 or 4 controlled substance will increase the quality of many peoples lives.