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    Verizon's Edge phone upgrade plan is the same bad ripoff as AT&T*Next

    Verizon today matched AT&T and T-Mobile with a new program called Edge that lets customers get new phones faster by paying an additional monthly fee. Under Verizon's plan, the full retail cost of a phone is divided into 24 monthly installments, and you can upgrade every six months if you pay 50 percent of the device's full retail cost. On paper that compares favorably to AT&T's Next and T-Mobile's Jump programs: Next splits the retail cost into 20 monthly installments and allows an upgrade only every 12 months, while Jump allows upgrades every six months but requires a down payment and additional monthly device payments.

    But scratch past that surface layer and the Edge plan is just the same shell game as AT&T Next, designed to sucker customers into paying both the device subsidy built into Verizon's already high monthly fees and the full retail price of their phones. (Like AT&T, Verizon discloses that the subsidy exists in its SEC filings, but declined to divulge the exact amount when I asked.)

    EDGE IS JUST THE SAME SHELL GAME AS AT&T NEXT

    So here's the math for the $650 Galaxy S4, based on widely held industry estimates of a $20 / month subsidy built into Verizon's standard plans. Under Edge, you'll pay $27 a month for a new GS4 on top of whatever plan you already have. That means at six months, Verizon will have collected $282 towards the price of that phone: $162 in Edge payments, and $120 in subsidies from your plan. But Verizon doesn't count the subsidy towards the retail cost of the phone, so if you want to upgrade at six months, you'll have to pay another $163, since you can only upgrade when 50 percent of the phone is paid off. That means Verizon will collect a total of $445 towards a $650 phone if you trade in that GS4 after six months, and it'll get to resell that phone and start the cycle all over again.

    The math tilts even more favorably in Verizon's favor if you don't trade in your phone every six months. At 12 months, Verizon will have collected $565 towards that $650 phone: $325 in Edge payments and $240 in plan subsidies — and you still have to trade in the phone. By month 18, Verizon has collected $846: $486 in Edge payments, and $360 in device subsidies. That's $196 in pure profit — money that would have otherwise gone to subsidize the cost of the phone.

    IF YOU WANT TO GET REALLY MAD, JUST KEEP THE MATH GOING TO 24 MONTHS

    If you want to get really mad, just keep the math going to 24 months, at which point you'll have paid $650 in Edge payments for the phone and Verizon will have collected $480 of udevice subsidies built into your plan. Compare that to Verizon's standard two year contract, which would have cost you just $199 up-front and then nothing additional monthly: the built-in plan subsidy would have paid off the phone in the background, and you would simply walk away with the phone in hand. It is the clearest proof that Edge is designed to keep Verizon's prices high while making you pay for phones more directly.

    In the end, what AT&T and Verizon are doing is simple: the cost of device subsidies eats into their bottom line, and they're taking advantage of consumer desire for new phones faster as a way to keep their plan prices high while directly passing on the full retail cost of the phone to customers. This is bad — you can argue about the specific details and which plans might be better at each point in the road, but the final result is that instead of competing to provide better service at lower prices, the two major carriers in America are competing to find innovative ways of maintaining their historically inflated prices while boosting their revenue and providing substantially less value to their customers.

    In fact, the simplest way to understand all these new plans is simply to ask whether you need an accountant or an engineer to explain the value of anything Verizon or AT&T do. If it's an accountant, you're getting screwed.

    Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

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    Lol, all the bitching you've done over t AT&T and the iPhone over the last few years. You're figuring out the grass isn't always greener, I see.
    Originally posted by BradM
    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
    Originally posted by Leah
    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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    • #3
      Meh, if someone wants a new phone that badly, is broke, and is dumb enough to go that route, then they deserve to get screwed . Doesn't seem like a big deal to me since I would never do that crap anyway. No different than going to Rent-A-Center and slowly paying $5k for a $1200 TV.

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      • #4
        My complaints w/att still stand, it's just the hubris that they and VZW are putting forth anger me more. This is also why I'm taking 4 lines to Tmob as soon as the last under ball and chain expires.

        The sad part is, most people who are on att&vzw likely wouldn't take the time to amortize this scheme and will play into their overt screwing they're paying for.

        Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

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        • #5
          You do know that with Tmobile you still have to pay for that phone outright, they just bill you in small monthly payments. Hate to see your bill when you go to Tmobile and get four new phones and paying them monthly back to Tmobile.....

          Ouch

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          • #6
            Funny thing is, if you do simple math you can figure this all out...But most people can't and they'll get in on this stellar deal.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 01vnms4v View Post
              You do know that with Tmobile you still have to pay for that phone outright, they just bill you in small monthly payments. Hate to see your bill when you go to Tmobile and get four new phones and paying them monthly back to Tmobile.....

              Ouch
              As a direct comparison, the Tmob Jump plan is significantly less expensive, bundles insurance for the device and doesn't carry a contract. With the later being stated, *if you choose to pay off the device sooner, your service isn't back loaded with device subsidies that you can't get out of.

              Besides, all that, we no longer do the subsidized device model when we can get Google Nexus devices on average, $250 cheaper. This also affords us the ability to go to ANY gsm provider at our leisure w/out having to beg or pay for a subsidy unlock code. Now factor in the cost of service sans subsidy back load, we come out WAAAY ahead of those who choose to stay on the contract wagon.

              Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tx Redneck View Post
                As a direct comparison, the Tmob Jump plan is significantly less expensive, bundles insurance for the device and doesn't carry a contract. With the later being stated, *if you choose to pay off the device sooner, your service isn't back loaded with device subsidies that you can't get out of.

                Besides, all that, we no longer do the subsidized device model when we can get Google Nexus devices on average, $250 cheaper. This also affords us the ability to go to ANY gsm provider at our leisure w/out having to beg or pay for a subsidy unlock code. Now factor in the cost of service sans subsidy back load, we come out WAAAY ahead of those who choose to stay on the contract wagon.

                Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

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                • #9
                  The thread title was spot on. I am furious with anger about this. Worse than dead babies IMO.

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                  • #10
                    Who gives a shit? A company is more interested than making money than not? Take 'em to court.
                    "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Randy View Post
                      Funny thing is, if you do simple math you can figure this all out...But most people can't and they'll get in on this stellar deal.
                      Most dont care. They just gots to have that newest/latest/greatest friggin' phone.

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                      • #12
                        Nope. Didn't piss me off at all.

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                        • #13
                          I wouldn't even say I'm perturbed.

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                          • #14
                            It wouldn't be a terrible deal if they offered new models every month and they were truly upgrades. With the S4 and Razrs that are out now though I can't see anyone coming to market with something completely groundbreaking that'd make me want to upgrade in such a short time. Big battery, great camera and lots of memory with ample processing power and a very high resolution display. Not sure what other features I want or need.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tx Redneck View Post
                              As a direct comparison, the Tmob Jump plan is significantly less expensive, bundles insurance for the device and doesn't carry a contract. With the later being stated, *if you choose to pay off the device sooner, your service isn't back loaded with device subsidies that you can't get out of.

                              Besides, all that, we no longer do the subsidized device model when we can get Google Nexus devices on average, $250 cheaper. This also affords us the ability to go to ANY gsm provider at our leisure w/out having to beg or pay for a subsidy unlock code. Now factor in the cost of service sans subsidy back load, we come out WAAAY ahead of those who choose to stay on the contract wagon.

                              Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.
                              Plus with jump, it's actually $10 for insurance and the jump program together, where it used to be $12 for insurance for premier devices like the s4, iPhone 5 and note 2. You can upgrade your phone in 6 months if you trade in your phone, it pays off the payments you have left and you just pay the new down payment for the phone you want. You can upgrade twice a year, the first one has to be after 6 months, the second one can be any time after that first one.

                              And if you end up getting T-Mobile you better come see me!

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