Veteran says cops killed his dog during raid on wrong apartment

[Forever_frost]

It just drives you fucking insane when the other person you want to argue with dictates the time line, doesn't it???

Care to say anything about the actual story of cops kicking in the wrong door and once again, shooting someone's dog while leaving bullet holes, blood and a destroyed door for a working citizen to come home to?

[Trip McNeely]

He already said that cops can't do the right thing, it wouldn't be good recruitment PR.

[Forever_frost]

He already said that cops can't do the right thing, it wouldn't be good recruitment PR.

One of the few times he's honest. I do want to see him condemn these actions

[line-em-up]

Do you guys ever get tired of arguing?

[Forever_frost]

Nope, not me. I rather enjoy a level of conflict. Keeps my mind externally focused.

[line-em-up]

Then, carry on..

[dcs13]

Do you guys ever get tired of arguing?

These "adults" amaze me with the effort they waste on this running conflict...

[Forever_frost]

Eh, I have a diagnosed mental disorder, a brain injury and am retired. What's Matt's excuse?

[The King]

I must be among the 99.9% of the board that gets along with 03trubluGT. Then again, I'm pro-police and respect the job they do.

[talisman]

It just drives you fucking insane when the other person you want to argue with dictates the time line, doesn't it???

I've never seen tucking tail so eloquently defended.

[CexMashean]

Eh, I have a diagnosed mental disorder, a brain injury and am retired. What's Matt's excuse?

Probably that he has to deal with people like you every day who don't know they have a mental disorder, and deep throat every government benefit they can.

[Forever_frost]

Probably that he has to deal with people like you every day who don't know they have a mental disorder, and deep throat every government benefit they can.

See then he would't be dealing with people like me as I know I have a mental disorder and am only on a retirement I earned through service. Do keep trying though

[03trubluGT]

I've never seen tucking tail so eloquently defended.

Just because I'm not some single mid-30's loner with oodles of time on my hands doesn't mean I spend every waking hour just anticipating the next online argument.

[03trubluGT]

Adam Arroyo, an Iraq War veteran, claims that police raided the wrong apartment on the hunt for a drug dealer and killed his dog on Monday evening. Media began to publish stories on Wednesday as Arroyo, who had lived in the same apartment for three years, began to tell his story. Arroyo returned home from work on Monday evening to find his New York apartment door broken open, the apartment torn apart, and several bullet holes in his kitchen wall, and his his pit bull mix Cindy had been murdered.


Arroyo found out that police had a search warrant for 304 Breckenridge, upper apartment. The suspect in the warrant was described as a black male who was wanted on suspicion of dealing crack. Arroyo is a Hispanic male who lives at 304 Breckenridge, upper-rear apartment, the apartment next door. He has a separate entrance to his home which is clearly marked on his mail box. He now had to pay to have his dog, Cindy, cremated. He also had to miss work and repair his door at his own cost.

According to Buffalo Police spokesperson, Michael DeGeorge, stated that internal affairs launched an investigation, but they believe that the police had proper reason to kill Cindy. DeGeorge stated detectives "don't believe the dog was chained or leashed" when the raided the wrong apartment. Arroyo tells a different story.

"She's over here, chained up, and look at all these bullet holes man. Look at the blood right here," Arroyo stated while he showed where Cindy had been shot. "She was tied up in the kitchen like I tie her up every single day, and they shot her for no reason. For police to wrongfully come into my house and murder my dog... It wasn't that they felt threatened. No. They murdered my dog," Arroyo said, beginning to get upset. "That was my dog, man. That was my dog. They didn't have to do that, you know. They didn't have to do that."

http://www.examiner.com/article/adam...rong-apartment

I'm a firm believer that every search warrant should be led by the investigator that writes the warrant.

Handing a warrant to an entry team escalates the chances of them going to the wrong door.

Everyone here knows I'm a dog lover. Cats not so much.

With that said, I've also said that I've had many opportunities to shoot a dog, but never have. The last time I was at a dog shooting I had baton in hand, when the officer next to me shot the charging pit bull. My ears rang for a long damn time. The dog was at a full sprint at us, was hit in the chest, continued at us, took a 90 degree right turn, ran down the sidewalk, turned around, ran back towards us, took a 90 degree left turn and ran deep into the back yard. After a few minutes, we walked to the back and found it had died in the back yard.

We were trying to make it to the front door to contact the owner. There were 3 unrestrained pit bulls at that address that had killed a neighbor's puppy and almost gotten the other puppy. The dogs had turned over the neighbor's trash can and made a holy mess of the yard.

We were just going to do a report and forward it to animal control when the large grey one charged.

So, when faced with a dog, I've still never unholstered my gun.

There are a LOT of officers that are scared of dogs, and they tend to go straight to gun when confronted with one. I'm not saying that it is right, just that's the way it is.

There is lot of info missing from this story, like did the dog try to eat the officer? Was it working its way loose? I still don't say that justifies it, but it would explain some.

What it doesn't explain is why the wrong location stuff keeps happening. Police are human, and humans make mistakes, but there should be extra caution taken in executing a search warrant.

[03trubluGT]

You mean to tell me that if officers knew they'd be held accountable for their actions, less would sign up? No way...

I was waiting for some downtime to address this.

Officers know liability way too well. They know that they can be sued, disciplined, terminated, or prosecuted.

Officers face double jeopardy that no other citizen can face. LEOs are like military members when it comes to this.

Not only can officers face criminal charges, but they can face Federal Civil Rights Violations as well.

If you put that out on a recruiting poster, don't you think citizens (such as yourself) would think twice about applying for a job that puts that caveat out there at the beginning? I could see people thinking "what if I made a mistake and they blew it out of proportion?" or "what if someone had it out for me and framed me?". There are countless things that could go wrong that this could be used against them.

Officers know about the hazards of the job. When you are recruiting, you don't highlight the bad stuff about the job, or no one would apply.

That's what I meant, nothing more, nothing less.