Don't call the cops

[mikec]

They just said he got hit six times in the chest. Nice grouping I guess.

And true, Randy. Very true. Did it with music on there a couple hours ago...

[likeitfast55]

Mike,

This is DFWMustangs.net all things are possible! A derailed thread is the norm.......it is like

u-tube, you start watching oh lets say model airplane videos ---bam---3 hours later you

are watching blue balled Tibetan yaks spit on unwitting tourists. You have no idea how

you wound up looking at that, and lost 3 hours of your life!

R

[mikec]

How did it go from cops and doctors to doctors and gun owners?

And good post Dave.

[davbrucas]

There's just no way that we kill that many patients accidentally each year. I have been in this business for 15yrs and I have not heard of a single patient killed accidentally by physicians...not saying that it doesnt happen, but if there were that many, I surely would have heard of at least one as shit like that spreads like wildfire through the hospital. I would like to see the data that they are quoting for these numbers...
Also, LEOs have authority over you and can fuck your world up and you have no recourse. They can come to your home and shoot you and not get punished if they can "articulate" their actions effectively.
Physicians do not possess this authority. You go to them and entrust your life to their care. If a mistake is made and a life is lost, it's much different than if a person is gunned down by JBTs. There is no malice, for the most part, if a doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient. I have yet to kill a patient, and each patient that I was unable to save weighs on my conscience.

[dcs13]

I love the comparison of Doctors and cops. Doctors are a million times more competent than cops. Have you seen what a civil service exam consists of? LOL

Competent as doctors...How many 'accidental" killings do you hear about with doctors? NONE, unless you read the reports. It's not on the 5 o clock news....
I'm not defending these guys. Just think that cops deal with a whole lot more shit and they "accidentally" kill a hell of a lot less people every year than your beloved doctors. You can't argue the factual numbers, period.
No accidental killing is acceptable, but seriously you're comparing maybe 20 bad shoots a year in the US with cops versus the 98,000 accidental killings a year by doctors... In Vegas, that's a no brainer bet....
I never said cps were treated unfair, just the facts. They kill someone and YOU the citizens review every case. You name ONE Doctor in Tarrant county that has been before a grand jury for accidentally killing their patient...
Found the following interesting since so many gun owners here.... (can't validate its source, so take fwiw)
FACTS TO PONDER :
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are120,000.

(Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:

Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

(Yes, that's 80 million..)

(B) The number of accidental gun death per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

[dee]

Citizen shoots cop? Guy is killed, his name is drug through the mud and if he does fight them to a standstill, they keep calling in more reinforcements or pull a Ruby Ridge and just kill him and his family with snipers

A cop got shot by a home owner here, case was presented to the grand jury and homeowner was no billed. Not exactly the way it happens all the time but exactly the way it should happen. All the facts were presented and the jury decided without prejudice.

[Leah]

[Broncojohnny]

Most Doctors have an investment in their patients. Their reputation is at stake, as well as that person's life. There are exceptions of course. Police don't have as much vested interest in citizens as Doctors have in patients.

See the post by Davbrucas about consequences. One way to guarantee that people act as recklessly as possible is to remove them. The people in question probably won't even lose a paycheck. Much less their jobs.

But hey, that's ok because that old man had a gun. He looked scary. They were on a burglary call. blah blah fucking blah!

[Trip McNeely]

I love the comparison of Doctors and cops. Doctors are a million times more competent than cops. Have you seen what a civil service exam consists of? LOL

[crapstang]

Nah, they just cover it up and don't say a word.... Heard of a doctor before a grand jury for losing a patient lately ?...Nah, on the bad ones, the other doctors at the hospital review their conduct and make reccomendations on how to protect the hospital from lawsuits...
Cops are always referred to the Grand Jury...Who are joe citizens of that county, to review their deadly force actions...
I'm not defending these guys. I am not educated enough about the incident to make a decision...It's a bad deal...
It's just helpful to have another perspective on "accidental" killings

Most Doctors have an investment in their patients. Their reputation is at stake, as well as that person's life. There are exceptions of course. Police don't have as much vested interest in citizens as Doctors have in patients.

[Broncojohnny]

Nah, they just cover it up and don't say a word.... Heard of a doctor before a grand jury for losing a patient lately ?...Nah, on the bad ones, the other doctors at the hospital review their conduct and make reccomendations on how to protect the hospital from lawsuits...
Cops are always referred to the Grand Jury...Who are joe citizens of that county, to review their deadly force actions...
I'm not defending these guys. I am not educated enough about the incident to make a decision...It's a bad deal...
It's just helpful to have another perspective on "accidental" killings

Oh I see, cops are treated unfairly. Good luck getting traction with that line of bullshit.

[dcs13]

The important difference is that doctors don't come out of the woodwork defending shitty doctors. Or constantly blame the patient.

Nah, they just cover it up and don't say a word.... Heard of a doctor before a grand jury for losing a patient lately ?...Nah, on the bad ones, the other doctors at the hospital review their conduct and make reccomendations on how to protect the hospital from lawsuits...
Cops are always referred to the Grand Jury...Who are joe citizens of that county, to review their deadly force actions...
I'm not defending these guys. I am not educated enough about the incident to make a decision...It's a bad deal...
It's just helpful to have another perspective on "accidental" killings

[Broncojohnny]

This deal sucks, period. In time, the investigation will reveal what happened. Like Matt said a grand jury will review the case and make a decision on charges...
I will repost what I have before, you are WAYYYY more likely to be accidentally killed by your doctor than by a cop....Haven't seen a FT DR thread lately....

DOCTORS KILL a hell of a lot more people by MISTAKE or accident than cops...they estimate over 98,000 a YEAR !

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...ror-2009-08-10

Data shows Officers kill approximately 1000 citizens per year...justified or otherwise...
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ardus05.pdf

The important difference is that doctors don't come out of the woodwork defending shitty doctors. Or constantly blame the patient.

[Chili]

BTW, they were playing some of the FWPD radio traffic on this on Russ Martin today. I didn't catch enough to repeat but assume it can be found if anyone were interested in looking for it.

[dcs13]

This deal sucks, period. In time, the investigation will reveal what happened. Like Matt said a grand jury will review the case and make a decision on charges...
I will repost what I have before, you are WAYYYY more likely to be accidentally killed by your doctor than by a cop....Haven't seen a FT DR thread lately....

DOCTORS KILL a hell of a lot more people by MISTAKE or accident than cops...they estimate over 98,000 a YEAR !

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...ror-2009-08-10

Data shows Officers kill approximately 1000 citizens per year...justified or otherwise...

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ardus05.pdf