Don't call the cops

[Gtracer]

The reason the old man had better trigger control is because there are consequences when civilians shoot someone, but police do not have to worry about the same consequences. As stated above, they can shoot you and not even get a slap on the wrist. The only thing they would have is the death on their conscience...but many do not have one.

I am just glad I dont have to make the tough decisions on whether or not I am at the right house, is this dog hostile...is that a burgler in the bushes of the wrong house or is it just a 72 year old retiree living the American...well, was living the American Dream right up until those two officers had to make a tough decision.

Just glad I dont have to do that...

BTW I agree with you statement

[davbrucas]

The reason the old man had better trigger control is because there are consequences when civilians shoot someone, but police do not have to worry about the same consequences. As stated above, they can shoot you and not even get a slap on the wrist. The only thing they would have is the death on their conscience...but many do not have one.

[svauto-erotic855]

Man with gun, cops say drop the gun, don't point it at cops. It was dark, how do they know how old he is. I'm sure the cops feel terrible.

"Cops" do not ever say "Drop the gun"; if they see someone with a gun when they are on alert whom they can not immediately ID visually that person is getting shot. Most of the time I would act the same way.

[03trubluGT]

Of course not, we are all dumb here. I am sure you are quite the expert though based on your posts on here. Tell us how many times you have got away with it.

So far, the only one I got away with was when I beat you up.

That's why you are so FTP!

[Gtracer]

Looks like the old man had better trigger control than the police if the "situations" above turn out to be true.

Either way, it was dark, no witnesses, guy was on his property, was not a suspect and was gunned down by the police who were not even at the right address (competence?).

With no witnesses, I would say it does not look too promising for the police...considering everything that has been put out so far is in the old man’s favor...

[ELVIS]

if i did that for a living the old man would have caught the short end of the stick as well vs. me not going home to see my son. certainly tragic, but i can see how it happend.

god bless.

[SS Junk]

Wanna see my issue Sig P220?

No light.

Wanna know something even funnier?

I was never issued a flashlight.

It being dark is no excuse for a cop to shoot someone. Are cops no longer trained how to manage a flashlight and gun?

[Broncojohnny]

That's what led to that Plano 5-0 accidentally killing that guy a few years back...He still works there btw
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ntal-shooting/

Of course he does. I mean the guy SAID it was an accident, what other proof do you need?

And the family got $245K. Seems fair amirite?

[Broncojohnny]

This proves you have no idea how a grand jury works.

Of course not, we are all dumb here. I am sure you are quite the expert though based on your posts on here. Tell us how many times you have got away with it.

[dcs13]

It's been a few years since we have specifically discussed it, but I know Jimmy (Treadhead) had told me in the past that FWPD didn't allow officers to use weapon mounted lights on their service pistol. Something about people getting into the habit of using their pistol as a flashlight when there would otherwise be no need to have drawn their weapon.
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That's what led to that Plano 5-0 accidentally killing that guy a few years back...He still works there btw

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/daniel-zimmerman/surefire-sued-over-dallas-accidental-shooting/

[03trubluGT]

Where some dude that works for the city will roll out the case as to why the whole thing was the old man's fault. I'm sure it will be completely unbiased with the millions of dollars in liability the city faces.

At least the civil courts exist so his family might have some recourse.

This proves you have no idea how a grand jury works.

[Treadhead]

It's been a few years since we have specifically discussed it, but I know Jimmy (Treadhead) had told me in the past that FWPD didn't allow officers to use weapon mounted lights on their service pistol. Something about people getting into the habit of using their pistol as a flashlight when there would otherwise be no need to have drawn their weapon.

Not that I am defending the situation being discussed, since I have no clue on the specifics, just saying.

Just to throw another possible variable out there, at 72, the guy may have been hard of hearing and did not respond to commands.

They started allowing weapon mounted lights within the last year or two. You have to go through the training first.
I don't usually respond to these kinds of threads due to all the ftp Monday morning quarterbacking.
The city doesn't present the grand jury cases either. That would be the County D.A.

[KBScobravert]

Confusion is what got him shot. It could happen to anyone of us but at 72yrs old he may not have even heard the cops tell him to put the gun down.....if they even did.

I know that if I have my gun out it is up in my chest in a low ready position or maybe even pushed out if I have that kind of space to work with. Anyone that is proficient in firearms as you hope any officer is, will do the same. Who draws a gun and holds it down to their side to investigate something? So I can see the police rounding the corner and being confronted by a armed man. If their gun is out and they are jumpy, I can see them letting rounds loose first. Doesn't make it right.

A quick google image and the houses in that neighborhood are not simple cookie cutter development front garage houses that are all the same. Lots of trees, probably low light and lots of shadow. Average garage is in the back of the house (22 houses on that street all different construction). If he was shot there it makes sense with officer rounding the corner and being spooked.

I can also see the old man pushing out or pointing the gun at an object rounding a corner into his garage. Determining when and not to shoot takes practice and is not easy to do as fast as you can just simply pull the trigger. You can not take the bullet back and everyone should be learning judgment calls equally as much as shot placement. When to and when NOT to shoot is just as important as hitting your target. Too bad the later is faster.

Not putting police down.....but when was the last time that these particular FWPD officers received that kind of training vs putting holes in the black on a stationary peice of paper?

[DriveWayBuilt]

I bet the Cop really feels like shit. I know I would. RIP old man

[Chili]

And fwiw, my cousin is a sergeant on the local force, and his glock has a light on it. So does every other cop gun I've seen in recent history.

It's been a few years since we have specifically discussed it, but I know Jimmy (Treadhead) had told me in the past that FWPD didn't allow officers to use weapon mounted lights on their service pistol. Something about people getting into the habit of using their pistol as a flashlight when there would otherwise be no need to have drawn their weapon.

Not that I am defending the situation being discussed, since I have no clue on the specifics, just saying.

Just to throw another possible variable out there, at 72, the guy may have been hard of hearing and did not respond to commands.