Honest easy question....

[talisman]

I'm challenging you to back up your statement.

Start pulling threads and put your money where your mouth is, just don't blow it out of your ass. Also be sure to prove whether or not I was playing Devil's Advocate.

Oh Jesus Christ. How much money are we talking? $1000, NayNay?

Wow Arnold, playing that old card again?

I noticed how you are too busy playing naynay to come up with any original material.

That's interesting, considering the last time I checked I said I would meet you at JITB, at which point you vanished off the site for about nine days, then conveniently showed up at a GTG after I publicly said I wasn't going to be able to make it. lol @ me needing new material when I'm referencing something you've posting 7 or 8 times. The comedy just never stops.

[ceyko]

I'm challenging you to back up your statement.

Start pulling threads and put your money where your mouth is, just don't blow it out of your ass. Also be sure to prove whether or not I was playing Devil's Advocate.

I tend to think he is extreme, but he's correct with his statement. You reference "policy" - and defend policy to the max. Just because something is policy, does not make it right from a citizen's point of view.

If I were him, I'd not take the time to reference the various statements you've made. Because, you clearly are not changing your mind about them. To YOU it seems fine, but to some of us they are retarded.

[Jester]

I tend to think he is extreme, but he's correct with his statement. You reference "policy" - and defend policy to the max. Just because something is policy, does not make it right from a citizen's point of view.

If I were him, I'd not take the time to reference the various statements you've made. Because, you clearly are not changing your mind about them. To YOU it seems fine, but to some of us they are retarded.

well put

[Bassics]

I do long for the good old days when they actually did their jobs, like keeping the colored folks on their own side of town, or beating mexicans to death for our amusement.

Crap, these days some of them aren't even white, or men for that matter. Progress my ass...

[03trubluGT]

Yes, follow through. Like the time you said you were going to beat my ass, and you instead decided to ask what I did for a living, like we were going to be friends or some shit.


That's the thing with you mental midgets. The fact that you've got nothing left but an altercation, means I already won.

You might want to check the facts, there Mr. Cooper. You said you would run your mouth to my face, you showed up at Dino's with your tray in hand, approached the table, and asked "are you going to kick my ass?". I said "not unless you give me a reason", and then, and only then, did you set your tray on the table.

Since you were obviously not going to back up your internet mouth, all of us at the table made conversation.

If you would like to meet and discuss this in lets say, a gym or ring, then let me know when and where. All you are going to do is keep running your mouth, because your ass can't cash the checks. Just like your buddy Arnold.

Period.

I've called you out several times, and all you do is avoid the issue. Its time to man up or shut up. You can pick.

I'm closer to 50 than 40, and obviously you're scared of a middle aged guy.

[03trubluGT]

Oh Jesus Christ. How much money are we talking? $1000, NayNay?



That's interesting, considering the last time I checked I said I would meet you at JITB, at which point you vanished off the site for about nine days, then conveniently showed up at a GTG after I publicly said I wasn't going to be able to make it. lol @ me needing new material when I'm referencing something you've posting 7 or 8 times. The comedy just never stops.

That JITB reference was a joke, and you know it. Quit playing it out like you'd actually show up.

Besides, I'm not going to put myself in jeopardy for you in a public place. We can meet (like I challenged Brent) in a gym so that there is no problem with legalities.

You're just a sad, lonely middle aged guy that needs to spend most of his life online acting like an e-thug.

[talisman]

You might want to check the facts, there Mr. Cooper. You said you would run your mouth to my face, you showed up at Dino's with your tray in hand, approached the table, and asked "are you going to kick my ass?". I said "not unless you give me a reason", and then, and only then, did you set your tray on the table.

Since you were obviously not going to back up your internet mouth, all of us at the table made conversation.

If you would like to meet and discuss this in lets say, a gym or ring, then let me know when and where. All you are going to do is keep running your mouth, because your ass can't cash the checks. Just like your buddy Arnold.

Period.

I've called you out several times, and all you do is avoid the issue. Its time to man up or shut up. You can pick.

I'm closer to 50 than 40, and obviously you're scared of a middle aged guy.

[talisman]

You're just a sad, lonely middle aged guy that needs to spend most of his life online acting like an e-thug.

You've got quite the definition of e-thug, the way you go around wanting to fight everyone who laughs at you.

[03trubluGT]

I tend to think he is extreme, but he's correct with his statement. You reference "policy" - and defend policy to the max. Just because something is policy, does not make it right from a citizen's point of view.

If I were him, I'd not take the time to reference the various statements you've made. Because, you clearly are not changing your mind about them. To YOU it seems fine, but to some of us they are retarded.

If all we have is law (which policies are derived from), then what are officers to do? If someone violates policy or law, they are subject to discipline or legal ramifications. Joe Citizen isn't subject to Federal Civil Rights Violations like officers are. That is basically a legal double jeopardy.

And, there are policies I don't defend. Just like Alan's incorrect statement that I defend "all" officers. There have been plenty of chicken shit actions by officers that I have not agreed with.

If you care to see it as one sided, then that is your right. But, it doesn't make it correct.

[03trubluGT]

You've got quite the definition of e-thug, the way you go around wanting to fight everyone who laughs at you.

Everyone?

You're an idiot.

Just you, because you don't know when to shut your pie hole, and Mr. Cooper because he says that I backed down from him at Dino's when that wasn't the case.

Hell, I'd be tempted to take you both on at the same time.

[BMCSean]

Queer!

[talisman]

Everyone?

You're an idiot.

Just you, because you don't know when to shut your pie hole, and Mr. Cooper because he says that I backed down from him at Dino's when that wasn't the case.

Hell, I'd be tempted to take you both on at the same time.

Take us both at the same time, eh? I'm going to start calling you fingercuffs.

[ceyko]

If all we have is law (which policies are derived from), then what are officers to do? If someone violates policy or law, they are subject to discipline or legal ramifications. Joe Citizen isn't subject to Federal Civil Rights Violations like officers are. That is basically a legal double jeopardy.

And, there are policies I don't defend. Just like Alan's incorrect statement that I defend "all" officers. There have been plenty of chicken shit actions by officers that I have not agreed with.

If you care to see it as one sided, then that is your right. But, it doesn't make it correct.

I presumed you would answer like this, since it is a viable defense. My opinion/post still stands. YOU do not defend it as "what is an officer to do?" type stance. It comes across more as a "Hell yeah! That's policy!"

I really wish I could remember the one that changed my opinion of you - but I can't.

I relate policing with teaching and any other thing related to government work. A bunch of dumb asses that are probably corrupt or want to be corrupted for financial gain write "policy" (rules, regulations, laws, SOP...whatever). There will be numerous problems, but you seem to have more of the hell yeah approach.

I trust a few of the people that defend you, and I really do not want to believe you're a prick. Hell, you never seemed like one until you became the target of a few other members.

Anyway, that's my input on it. I'm sure you'll lose sleep over it.

[Captain Crawfish]

not really. police are usually there after the fact. in places like chicago etc the police wont step up and do their jobs they let the crooks do as they wish so they wont get shot or in harms way. from what i see the police are usually more interested in making money than fighting crime.

[ceyko]

not really. police are usually there after the fact. in places like chicago etc the police wont step up and do their jobs they let the crooks do as they wish so they wont get shot or in harms way. from what i see the police are usually more interested in making money than fighting crime.

Yes, that's one of the things I can't understand.

Easy to find police (what I'll call) picking on motorists and other easy prey for tickets.

However, meanwhile there are hundreds/thousands of hoods that have serious crime problems and the police won't enter them or rarely do. I do not really understand why these areas are not patrolled/watched non-stop. i.e. the known one about a few blocks from the White House being a crime area.

In fairness there are 3 areas that are f'ed up in my opinion. It could be argued that Police forces are the smallest of the 3. In my opinion the f'ed up areas are (in order)...

1. Prison System (Don't get me started - recycled thugs that are better than when they went in at being criminals. No discipline, better quality of life than a lot of military or even hardworking civilians...etc...etc)
2. Court System
3. Law Enforcement

Hell, at the end of the day what we dislike most about police (generally speaking) is...(in no particular order)

1. Dickhead cops
2. Their policies
a. Concern about their policies directly affecting our rights
3. Their real and perceived inadequacies

Generally speaking, if 1 and 2 from the first list worked better - LEOs (standard ones that we want to like) would be more effective overall.

However, the ones out in the shit are probably arresting people they've arrested 3+ times before for the same shit or worst. (probably a whole lot more)

I think it is arguable that a lot of problems are symptoms of Court/Prison systems being a severe problem.

Sorry - that was longer than intended.