How do you go about asking for a raise/promotion?

[TeeShock]

How is your piss poor management of your money your bosses problem?

Lulz at your assumptions.

[TeeShock]

Don't do this.

How are they going to know you need more money if you don't tell them?

[Nate]

Its not a need. They don't give a fuck what you need.

They give a damn about what you are worth via what you do and add to the company.

[bcoop]

How are they going to know you need more money if you don't tell them?

They won't, but the way you suggested he do it, is highly unprofessional. If an employee came to me in that manner, I'd laugh and send them on their way.


Your employer doesn't care about your expenses. They don't care if you are living outside of your means. They don't care about your bills. Those are your problems, not company problems. This isn't personal, it's business. Hence why I said he needs to state a business case as to why he deserves more. Write up a job description, including all responsibilities. State what you bring to the company, and how that helps the company revenue, and connect the dots on why that means you should make more money.

Walking in and saying "it costs me $XXXX to live, I need a raise is" absolutely, positively, a terrible way to approach the situation.

Matt is absolutely correct, too. Everyone thinks they are worth more than they really are. Everyone. Very few of them are actually worth what they think they are worth. Making a business case helps with this. When handled in that manner, it's also not perceived as whining.

[TeeShock]

Its not a need. They don't give a fuck what you need.

They give a damn about what you are worth via what you do and add to the company.

For someone without an engineering license I do my fair share of design and project mgmt. But I get paid like the intern I am. I am the cheapest person at the firm doing tasks others get paid over 2x my wages to delegate.
Without me they would be paying more for someone full time to be doing my job.

[bcoop]

For someone without an engineering license I do my fair share of design and project mgmt. But I get paid like the intern I am. I am the cheapest person at the firm doing tasks others get paid over 2x my wages to delegate.
Without me they would be paying more for someone full time to be doing my job.

How is that anyone else's problem, though?

[Nate]

Go get your engineering license and then ask for a raise.

[TeeShock]

They won't, but the way you suggested he do it, is highly unprofessional. If an employee came to me in that manner, I'd laugh and send them on their way.


Your employer doesn't care about your expenses. They don't care if you are living outside of your means. They don't care about your bills. Those are your problems, not company problems. This isn't personal, it's business. Hence why I said he needs to state a business case as to why he deserves more. Write up a job description, including all responsibilities. State what you bring to the company, and how that helps the company revenue, and connect the dots on why that means you should make more money.

Walking in and saying "it costs me $XXXX to live, I need a raise is" absolutely, positively, a terrible way to approach the situation.

Matt is absolutely correct, too. Everyone thinks they are worth more than they really are. Everyone. Very few of them are actually worth what they think they are worth. Making a business case helps with this. When handled in that manner, it's also not perceived as whining.

My position is different than most. My relationship with my boss is more in depth than most. I understand where both of you are coming from and I agree it's not professional but it did work for me. I gave him a number of what I needed and he did everything within his power to make it happen.

[jluv]

...I get paid like the intern I am. I am the cheapest person at the firm doing tasks others get paid over 2x my wages to delegate.

Then why are you giving out advice on how to get a decent raise?

[motoman]

Before we derail this thread, I feel I have a list of reasons as to why I should be making more than entry level for my position. I have no plans to go in demanding more money as that's not my only interest. I did want to see how others have approached the situation. The last thing I want to do is leave my company, I've got 2 bosses that are great, decent benefits, relaxed atmosphere, and I'm excelling at what I do. This current position isn't something I want to make a career out of, which is why I'm asking, what's the best way to tell a boss you're looking for more work/responsibility/higher position that would come with more pay.

[Silverback]

TeeShock = Papa Pecker????

[TeeShock]

Then why are you giving out advice on how to get a decent raise?

I earned a decent raise.

[stephen4785]

So far Iv never had to ask for a raise. I just get another job offer for a few more dollars an hour and tell my current boss that if they cant match it Im quitting.

[Silverback]

Before we derail this thread, I feel I have a list of reasons as to why I should be making more than entry level for my position. I have no plans to go in demanding more money as that's not my only interest. I did want to see how others have approached the situation. The last thing I want to do is leave my company, I've got 2 bosses that are great, decent benefits, relaxed atmosphere, and I'm excelling at what I do. This current position isn't something I want to make a career out of, which is why I'm asking, what's the best way to tell a boss you're looking for more work/responsibility/higher position that would come with more pay.

i'd have a sit down with my direct boss, and their boss and let them know you have higher aspirations than your current position. Setup a plan of action on how you can move up, what goals you need to accomplish to move into the role you want to be in.

I've been with Dell for almost 3.5 years. When I first got here I did my work, did it well, and had a very easy time. Then I decided I wanted to move up the ladder into management, and sat down with my boss and we developed a plan for me to get to that level. I took a Sr. position over an account team, and started taking on more responsibility. My boss didn't know until I told him, that I was looking for more responsibility and leadership roles. So that's key.

Also by letting your boss's boss, and other upper management know who you are, what you do, and where you want to go is always a good thing. The director and VP over my organization both know who I am, what I contribute to the team, the account, and to Dell. I'm next in line for my own team and a manager position, because I went out and let them know I wanted it.

You don't have to go in asking for more money, but go in asking them to help you develop a career plan.

[bcoop]

Then why are you giving out advice on how to get a decent raise?

Lol. It's true though.

Before we derail this thread, I feel I have a list of reasons as to why I should be making more than entry level for my position. I have no plans to go in demanding more money as that's not my only interest. I did want to see how others have approached the situation. The last thing I want to do is leave my company, I've got 2 bosses that are great, decent benefits, relaxed atmosphere, and I'm excelling at what I do. This current position isn't something I want to make a career out of, which is why I'm asking, what's the best way to tell a boss you're looking for more work/responsibility/higher position that would come with more pay.

It's not getting detailed, this is all relevant to your question. Do what I told you to do. Make it very professional. Try not to let emotion cloud things. It needs to be purely business. Then request a meeting with your boss, hand him the info you have put together. Tell him you're wanting to advance. It's really that simple.



Our CEO is a very intimidating person to most. He used to intimidate me when i was still new. I would pussyfoot and beat around the bush, and never get the answer I was looking for. And it was entirely my fault. You can't be intimidated. You've got to believe in your case 100%, and not back down. This comes much easier to me than it does to most people, but it didn't in the beginning. I manage and negotiate millions of dollars in sales every year. EVERYTHING is a negotiation. This is no different. Don't be intimidated. Relax. You're not doing anything hundreds/thousands/millions of people haven't done before you. Take initiative, tell them what you want. The worst they can do is say no. Just do not, under any circumstance, make it an ultimatum situation. You will lose, every time. If your boss is worth their weight, they will be more than happy to discuss with you, because every boss wants employees that have drive.