DPD's finest response to armed robbery/shots fired

[Trip McNeely]

Just making a valid point. If you don't like it, you can GFY.

Just another whiner complaining about something but doing nothing about it...


Have a great day..

Oh, and press hard, you're making 3 copies......

It speaks volumes about yourself how you defend these corrupt cops. Notice how you're the only cop on here that ever does. I'm sure you sleep well at night knowing you made your ticket quota because that's all you're good for.

[Forever_frost]

Should I say yes?

And then you can again quote that case you've already cited.

That's really fucking intelligent Frosty......


You, like a few others, haven't taken me up on that ride along. What's the matter, scared I might actually help someone???

If the answer is yes, show your work. What statute and case says you have an obligation to protect citizens? If you don't like that one i have about a half dozen more.

Why haven't I taken you up on the ride along? Let's review shall we?

A. I do not trust police to put me in a squad car without an attorney for any reason
B. I cannot drive far due to head injury
C. I cannot be in sunlight long because of migraines
D. Do you REALLY want someone with severe PTSD next to you if something bad happens?

[Forever_frost]

Ok, define "legal obligation"???

Legal obligation. The case I presented stated that if someone asks you for help and you fail or refuse to assist them and it results in their death or injury, you cannot be held responsible.

But if you would like more examples than Warren, I offer you:

Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap. 1958); Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1968); Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983); Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So.2d 560 (S.Ct. A;a. 1985); Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984); Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982); Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1981); Weutrich v. Delia, 155 N.J. Super 324, 326, 382 A.2d 929, 930 (1978); Sapp v. City of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla.Ct. of Ap. 1977); Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ind.Ct. of Ap.); Silver v. City of Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969) and Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7th Cir. 1982).

[03trubluGT]

It speaks volumes about yourself how you defend these corrupt cops. Notice how you're the only cop on here that ever does. I'm sure you sleep well at night knowing you made your ticket quota because that's all you're good for.

Pull your head out of your ass.

I'm defending the officers because they weren't given a dispatched call?

[03trubluGT]

Legal obligation. The case I presented stated that if someone asks you for help and you fail or refuse to assist them and it results in their death or injury, you cannot be held responsible.

But if you would like more examples than Warren, I offer you:

Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap. 1958); Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1968); Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983); Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So.2d 560 (S.Ct. A;a. 1985); Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984); Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982); Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1981); Weutrich v. Delia, 155 N.J. Super 324, 326, 382 A.2d 929, 930 (1978); Sapp v. City of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla.Ct. of Ap. 1977); Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ind.Ct. of Ap.); Silver v. City of Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969) and Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7th Cir. 1982).

And I will offer that termination can be the disciplinary action for "Neglect of Duty" and "Failure to Act".

So, what's your point? Maybe you can't be sued, but you can damn sure be terminated.

Pick another argument. This one's done.

[03trubluGT]

[quote=Forever_frost;1054749]If the answer is yes, show your work. What statute and case says you have an obligation to protect citizens? If you don't like that one i have about a half dozen more.

Why haven't I taken you up on the ride along? Let's review shall we?

A. I do not trust police to put me in a squad car without an attorney for any reason

Even in the front seat without being read Miranda???

B. I cannot drive far due to head injury

Trust me, you won't be driving.

C. I cannot be in sunlight long because of migraines

Pick a rainy day!

D. Do you REALLY want someone with severe PTSD next to you if something bad happens?

Yea, you're right. I've never dealt with PTSD before......


All I'm hearing is one excuse after another...... I'll take that as a "I just really don't care to see the other side of the coin".....

[Trip McNeely]

Pull your head out of your ass.

I'm defending the officers because they weren't given a dispatched call?

This is one of many threads that you have defended a dipshit just because they were a cop, right or wrong.

[03trubluGT]

This is one of many threads that you have defended a dipshit just because they were a cop, right or wrong.

Still not addressing the meat and potatoes of the issue.

Just cry "wolf" again why don't you????

[Trip McNeely]

Still not addressing the meat and potatoes of the issue.

Just cry "wolf" again why don't you????

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Ouch.

[exlude]

Just my .02. The responding officer was not/cannot be at fault. But "the police", as an organization, are completely at fault.

03's argument to not blame it on the rank of file is irrelevant because no one blamed it on the rank and file.

Frost's argument that police have no obligation to protect or serve you is irrelevant because it is not the reason officers did not respond.

[Forever_frost]

And I will offer that termination can be the disciplinary action for "Neglect of Duty" and "Failure to Act".

So, what's your point? Maybe you can't be sued, but you can damn sure be terminated.

Pick another argument. This one's done.

Do I really need to go get the cops who abuse citizens and neglect their jobs who retain their jobs? I am arguing law. I provided citation, what do you have to refute it? Supreme Court. Yours?

[Forever_frost]

[quote=03trubluGT;1054768]

If the answer is yes, show your work. What statute and case says you have an obligation to protect citizens? If you don't like that one i have about a half dozen more.

Why haven't I taken you up on the ride along? Let's review shall we?



Even in the front seat without being read Miranda???




Trust me, you won't be driving.




Pick a rainy day!



Yea, you're right. I've never dealt with PTSD before......


All I'm hearing is one excuse after another...... I'll take that as a "I just really don't care to see the other side of the coin".....

YOu asked for reasons, I provided it. Unless you're willing to drive out here, at dusk and bring me back here, before dawn, ensure that I am not put in a stressful situation I will consider your offer. There is a reason I live where I do. I do not do well around people or stress. But nice cop out.

Care to address the cases I cited instead of the attacks and childish diversion? Do I need to lay out a bear claw to focus you?



The Court ruled that:

“[G]overnment and its agents are under no legal obligation to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular citizen. The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific duty exists.” [Cite for case: D.C. App., 444 A. 2nd 1, 1981]

[Forever_frost]

Just my .02. The responding officer was not/cannot be at fault. But "the police", as an organization, are completely at fault.

03's argument to not blame it on the rank of file is irrelevant because no one blamed it on the rank and file.

Frost's argument that police have no obligation to protect or serve you is irrelevant because it is not the reason officers did not respond.

Not irrelevant. YOu have no recourse when this shit happens because police have no obligation to respond to or protect you. That dispatcher has no obligation to send police even when they say they will, police have no obligation to rapidly get to where you are in distress nor to provide help. Do some? Yes. Are you required to by law? No. Can you be held responsible for your fuckups and failures? No.

Tell me that this dispatcher was fired for this. Tell me that the cops in the cases cited were fired and charged.

[exlude]

Well, I'd be curious to see the evidence you have against the dispatcher for placing it so far down in the cue aside from what he said was at fault.

If he couldn't understand due to an accent and didn't hear "shoot", that makes your argument irrelevant as I described. If another reason, it's relevant.

[Forever_frost]

Let's see, there was an armed robbery with shots fired. The dispatcher, if you want to blame them, failed to ascertain what was going on which could have been handled with...questions. That failure led to cops taking an hour and a half to respond to a shooting. If you're not blaming the cops, you blame the dispatcher. Someone has to lose their job on this and should face charges.

So which one? Dispatcher or the cops who didn't show up for an hour and a half?