Bin Laden assinator commits suicide

[exlude]

Of course it wasn't, at least in the way it was described and sold to the world by the US, otherwise we would be "guilty".

That's kind of my point.. Our government is going to justify it by describing it 100 different ways, all side-stepping what it really was.

But on this board we are not the country's political leadership, trying to sell a bag of shit to the international community, in order to cover our ass.

So what's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

And no, that was not a dig against naynay!

I think your saying that it doesn't matter what you call it, so maybe we don't necessarily disagree, but the terms actually do have significant meaning.

By nature of the "capture" portion of a kill or capture order, and Bin Laden's position as a combatant leader and military target, it wasn't an assassination.

The concern here is in Protocol 1 of the Geneva Convition (of which Bin Laden was a repeated offender). Specifically, if he was no longer a part of the fight.

By definition:
A person is 'hors de combat' if:
(a) he is in the power of an adverse Party; (b) he clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or (c) he has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself; provided that in any of these cases he abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.

None of which Bin Laden fell under. Considering the porousness of the Pakistani/Afghani border, and his position in directly commanding enemy forces, he is easily labeled an enemy commander in the field.

Admittedly, the law of written to cover traditional forces and war so it won't fit the situation perfectly,

[LaserSVT]

Is that how the seniority stuff works? Crawl first then I can be a trolling idiot?

You can be an idiot at any posting count number you wish.

[Chili]

I think your saying that it doesn't matter what you call it, so maybe we don't necessarily disagree, but the terms actually do have significant meaning.

By nature of the "capture" portion of a kill or capture order, and Bin Laden's position as a combatant leader and military target, it wasn't an assassination.

The concern here is in Protocol 1 of the Geneva Convition (of which Bin Laden was a repeated offender). Specifically, if he was no longer a part of the fight.

By definition:
A person is 'hors de combat' if:
(a) he is in the power of an adverse Party; (b) he clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or (c) he has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself; provided that in any of these cases he abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.

None of which Bin Laden fell under. Considering the porousness of the Pakistani/Afghani border, and his position in directly commanding enemy forces, he is easily labeled an enemy commander in the field.

Admittedly, the law of written to cover traditional forces and war so it won't fit the situation perfectly,

You're way over thinking this.

What I'm saying is that this is a "Mustang" message board and conversation and language use is not held to the same scrutiny as it would in a international tribunal. It really doesn't matter what the Geneva Convention says when determining how to describe something using plain (colloquial) English.

As I said before:
"Elite special operators flying into an area that is not a "combat zone", covertly and under the cover of darkness, specifically targeting and killing the enemy's leader, is an assassination."

So my point in all of that is that it is silly for people to get mad at naynay for using (or at least attempting to use) that word. He was just trying to shorten the title that was used on the original story, which was:

"SEAL Team 4 Commanding Officer Best Known For Finding & Then Killing Osama Bin Laden Commits Suicide"

[Denny]

Ya, it wasn't the wording, rather the obvious attempt to take the word to a negative extent.

[03trubluGT]

Elite special operators flying into an area that is not a "combat zone", covertly and under the cover of darkness, specifically targeting and killing the enemy's leader, is an assassination.

Assassinations do not imply the target is good or bad, bad guys can be assassinated to.

Just because the act and actor is referred to as assassination and assassin, does not mean it is a bad thing. It has taken on a negative connotation because the world has become too PC and pussified.

What if they were trying to capture him and he was reaching for an AK47?

Sorry, if it comes down to deadly force, the bad guy is going down first....

[exlude]

You're way over thinking this.

What I'm saying is that this is a "Mustang" message board and conversation and language use is not held to the same scrutiny as it would in a international tribunal. It really doesn't matter what the Geneva Convention says when determining how to describe something using plain (colloquial) English.

As I said before:
"Elite special operators flying into an area that is not a "combat zone", covertly and under the cover of darkness, specifically targeting and killing the enemy's leader, is an assassination."

So my point in all of that is that it is silly for people to get mad at naynay for using (or at least attempting to use) that word. He was just trying to shorten the title that was used on the original story, which was:

"SEAL Team 4 Commanding Officer Best Known For Finding & Then Killing Osama Bin Laden Commits Suicide"

I gotcha, and that's what I thought you might be meaning. Anywho, this story seems like a load of shit.

[talisman]

What I'm saying is that this is a "Mustang" message board and conversation and language use is not held to the same scrutiny as it would in a international tribunal.

I gotta call BS on this. LOL

[Chili]

I gotta call BS on this. LOL

You notice I put Mustang in quotes.

[talisman]

You notice I put Mustang in quotes.

I was talking about the language scrutiny. See, it's become self-fulfilling.

[Trip McNeely]

Eric is vying to be the head of the Mustang Mafia.

[Leah]

im sure Arnold is texting back and forth with leah on a plan to ban me again for whatever reason.

Are you trying for another break? Now you're just the kid in class that does everything in the world to irritate everyone, but never does anything bad enough to receive repercussions.

[talisman]

Oh boy, it looks like Leah finally got all those texts I was furiously sending!

[Leah]

Oh boy, it looks like Leah finally got all those texts I was furiously sending!

Sorry, the retirement home gets bad reception. And we were in the middle of a hot bingo round!

[Forever_frost]

that part, im confused as to how i dont know the definition of the word.

Murder implies it wasn't legal. If I did here what I did in Iraq, I'd be an assassin or murderer. As I did it during war, it's called doing your job.

[naynay]

in the eyes of the side who ordered the killing, however to Bin Laden's followers, it was murder.

Being an assassin isn't a bad thing, why is there so much heat over that label?

this. is a sniper a "sniper", a "murderer" or an assassin", or just a hero?