Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[DallasSleeper]

sounds like i need an illegal gun

Yeah a trip to the morgue sounds a lot more fun

[Denny]

I hope to God none of you guys are ever near the home of a missing child. The Supreme Court said that police can go house to house without a warrant in search of a child.

Can you show me a ruling or some case law, I just searched and couldn't find anything. Not doubting you but I would like to see that ruling myself

So they can treat everyone like a criminal who has no rights? So much for that innocent until proven guilty.

In, for the justification as well. I must have missed that one too.

[DallasSleeper]

In, for the justification as well. I must have missed that one too.

Since reading his post I have searched all over and find nothing that shows any ruling like what was described

[jluv]

I hope to God none of you guys are ever near the home of a missing child. The Supreme Court said that police can go house to house without a warrant in search of a child.

Really?

so if i'm smoking a doobie, minding my own business, with the lights out and doors locked listening to some jimi hendrix; and the police want to come make sure i aint got jessica from down the street in a closet, am i gonna get in trouble for smoking the doobie? or will they just keep doin their thang thang and go find jessica?

Good question. Matt, please answer!

[03trubluGT]

Since reading his post I have searched all over and find nothing that shows any ruling like what was described

I will have to look up the exact ruling tomorrow, but it was presented in a class on missing and exploited children.

[bcoop]

Just playing devil's advocate here more than anything, but I am curious...

Why, in this situation, would you hold it against anyone that allowed the cops to search their homes, and why would you resist? Is it just principle?

In most situations, I would strongly defend my home against any uninvited entrance. But, in this exact situation, I think I'd probably invite them in to sweep through my home looking for the suspect. I want them to catch the guy, and if this gives me an opportunity to help, I'd be okay with it.

Yes, principle. Like I said, I get that they were looking for the jackasses that did this. But if I tell you they aren't in my house, then they aren't in my house, and they can take their warrant less search and shove it up their asses.

This sets a TERRIBLE precedent. And all under the guise of "safety". Just like the Patriot Act (read up on it), the Dept of Homeland Safety, etc. These people prove every day that they think they are above the law. They violate rights all the time. They have had no consequences to date, that I can think of. And we are exactly NO more safe than we were prior to 9/11. People still have been able to sneak guns and bombs on planes. They missed the shoe bomber. They violate your rights, AND steal your shit, and nothing happens to them. So where does it all stop? Lets say a bill eventually passes on gun control. They storm in like this, full gear, and take you and your family hostage while they take your legally owned possessions. Then what? What are they going to steal from you when they violate your rights the next time?


I'm sure someone will be along shortly, but Thomas Jefferson has a good quote. "Those who are willing to give up liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." That's not exact, but it is close.

[naynay]

What are they going to steal from you when they violate your rights the next time?

Uranus?

[Nash B.]

Brent, that was Benjamin Franklin

[Forever_frost]

I hope to God none of you guys are ever near the home of a missing child. The Supreme Court said that police can go house to house without a warrant in search of a child.

And if you do exactly that and forcibly enter my home and I kill the first 3 that do because I have no reason to believe police would be entering my home and am committing no crime and I was presented no warning, then what? Are police going to say "Well, kid's not here? Terribly sorry?"

Or am I going to get gunned down in my own home for defending my home against intruders armed?


I talked to the wife about instances like this and told her if police knock on the door, don't answer it. Do not let cops in without a warrant, read the warrant given to make sure they follow it exactly and call an attorney if they try to enter.

[Forever_frost]

[cyclonescott]

Over the last few years there have been a few cases where the FBI has been involved in setting up people who have wanted to be a “terrorist”.
The underwear bomber in 2009. A witness saw him being escorted to the ticket agent without a passport and then saw him get on the plane. http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...kurt_hask.html
The State Department later admitted that they let him on the plane because they wanted to track him.

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/us-state-department-admits-underwear-bomber-allowed-on-plane-to-supposedly-help-with-investigations-into-al-qaida/

Again the Christmas day bomber was being tracked and helped by the FBI, and provided with a dummy bomb.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html

Is it possible that the two Boston bombers were patsies that were being set up? Look at all of the pictures of the military type people hanging around. Did these guy’s figure out that they were going to be set up and decide to actually make real explosives.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/348231

[03trubluGT]

So they can treat everyone like a criminal who has no rights? So much for that innocent until proven guilty.

Really?????

so if i'm smoking a doobie, minding my own business, with the lights out and doors locked listening to some jimi hendrix; and the police want to come make sure i aint got jessica from down the street in a closet, am i gonna get in trouble for smoking the doobie? or will they just keep doin their thang thang and go find jessica?

The way it is supposed to work, is that a search is conducted for the missing child. As far as right minded policing goes, if any contraband is found during a search for a child, then it should be overlooked. If officers started taking actions when they found a doobie or bong, then it would take much needed resources from the search and devote them to other duties. At times when a child is in danger, it is more important to search for the child.

The authority to do this is contained in the Emergency Aid Doctrine.

[stevo]

Really?????



The way it is supposed to work, is that a search is conducted for the missing child. As far as right minded policing goes, if any contraband is found during a search for a child, then it should be overlooked. If officers started taking actions when they found a doobie or bong, then it would take much needed resources from the search and devote them to other duties. At times when a child is in danger, it is more important to search for the child.

The authority to do this is contained in the Emergency Aid Doctrine.

Except that isn't how it works. Any evidence gathered during a search without a warrant, being it a welfare check (as what is being discussed) or in the event of an illegal warrant, can be used in court now.

Stevo

[03trubluGT]

Except that isn't how it works. Any evidence gathered during a search without a warrant, being it a welfare check (as what is being discussed) or in the event of an illegal warrant, can be used in court now.

Stevo

I'm sure you know how it works in EVERY situation Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Can't you ever see any postives out there????

[stevo]

I'm sure you know how it works in EVERY situation Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Can't you ever see any postives out there????

I really don't see anything positive about our legal rights going to shit, or a law official that is indifferent to it.

Case law on evidence collected during a check under the Emergency Aid Doctrine, just in case you decide to say I'm wrong:

http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov:81/opinions/final/coa/20130205_c301564_49_301564.opn.pdf

Stevo