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[talisman]

Seems my only problem is some guy named Eric Arnold that can't quit me.

Go ahead and post up the rest. You aren't a cowardly pussy, are you?

[Sleeper]

Ill have to admit that you do start most of the bs Eric.

Ignore each other already and move the fuck on.

[bcoop]

Ill have to admit that you do start most of the bs Eric.

Ignore each other already and move the fuck on.

Matt has made himself a target, that is nobody's fault but his own.

[ceyko]

Yeah, this was an interesting thread.

[03trubluGT]

Go ahead and post up the rest. You aren't a cowardly pussy, are you?

The rest of what?

[03trubluGT]

Matt has made himself a target, that is nobody's fault but his own.

That's stupid logic if I've ever seen it.

So, being the ever vigilant antagonist is the right thing to do?

GFY Brent.

[talisman]

The rest of what?

You playing dumb is like a platypus pretending to be a platypus.

[grove rat]

will you two cut it out already


........................eric...................................matt

[BradM]

Have you guys tried a dutch rudder?

[FunFordCobra]

I think tanner and 03 should blaze at least once in their life. It would be hysterical!

[bcoop]

That's stupid logic if I've ever seen it.

Of course that's what you think...

[racrguy]

So let's tackle this point by point. This really gets old. Bullshit can be spewed far quicker than it can be rebutted.

I've actually been discussing this topic with a very good friend at work.

He has the same views as a lot of you guys, and I can see his/your point of view. I'm not as steadfast as I once was.

Does this mean that I will ever smoke? No. I've gone over 45 years without it, I see absolutely no reason to start. Besides, that shit stinks.

Now to Sean's statement about accepting the aspects of that freedom.

That would be totally acceptable if it were just the user's problem. The big picture is the negative effects the excessive use and other tangibles that come with it.

We can disregard this as unneeded filler material.

Go talk to the families of hard core drug users and see how it effects them.

Because a family is required to put up with the bullshit of other family members? Oh, right. Some families consistently put emotion and "family" in front of rationality. I have a family member that has a drug/alcohol problem. Doesn't mean I don't love him, but I don't put up with his shit either.

Look at the medical complications that we the taxpayers pay for.

The taxpayers should not be on the hook for another persons bad choices.

How about the stupid stuff (crimes) people do for drugs or while on drugs.

That's already illegal.

What is the cost of housing and prosecuting criminal acts because of drugs?

So what you're saying is, if a person does drugs they are compelled to commit crimes of another nature?

What about the effect of drug use on employers? How many "sick" days does drugs cost this nation every year?

I've never had a job that had unlimited sick/vacation days. These are factored in with the cost of a benefits package. The company EXPECTS employees to use those days. If they go over, 1) they aren't paid for those days 2) they end up fired for absences.

I think the govt isn't interested in keeping you from your freedom to do drugs,

Oh, but it is.

I think it's more concerned on the snowball effect it as on those issues mentioned above. Those costs far and above outweigh the simple cost of one person doing drugs.

You mean the issues that are already crimes, and were crimes before drug prohibition was enacted? Cool story bro.

And then when that doper breaks into you home and steals your shit to fence for his next fix, how will you feel???

Already addressed

I kind of look at policing as the little boy with his finger in the dike.

I'm sure that all the countries that have freed the drugs are rampant with crime

Let that thing go and look at the flood that will ensue. Law Enforcement is just keeping things at bay, because there is no way to "win" the war on drugs.

Cool scare tactics. Me likey!

[03trubluGT]

Because a family is required to put up with the bullshit of other family members? Oh, right. Some families consistently put emotion and "family" in front of rationality. I have a family member that has a drug/alcohol problem. Doesn't mean I don't love him, but I don't put up with his shit either.

There are a lot of family members that are forced to deal with family for one reason or another. Just because you can separate yourself from your situation does not mean everyone else can.

The taxpayers should not be on the hook for another persons bad choices.

But we are. Corrections, medical, crime victims, etc. are all part of the game. You cannot dispute that.

So what you're saying is, if a person does drugs they are compelled to commit crimes of another nature?

Compelled isn't the right word. That's you being dramatic. Say you get a drug conviction. With that comes a DL suspension. You get caught driving on a suspended DL. That's a Class B and here we go with another trip through the "justice system". Officers that make the arrest, tow company that pulls the vehicle, booking and jailing, bonding, grand jury, DA, etc..... Pull your head out of the sand and take a look at the big picture. That's just one example.

Do you know how many crimes are committed to pay for attorneys? Say Doper "A" gets arrested. Now since he's a doper and doesn't have a job, he has to steal to pay his bondsman and attorney. Guess what he does? JFC, Shawn/Sean are you really that naive?

I've never had a job that had unlimited sick/vacation days. These are factored in with the cost of a benefits package. The company EXPECTS employees to use those days. If they go over, 1) they aren't paid for those days 2) they end up fired for absences.

So hiring, losing work product, going through the hassle of firing and looking for a replacement is just something fun for companies to do?

I'm sure that all the countries that have freed the drugs are rampant with crime

Have any stats/facts that support your thoughts on this? We all know how skewed stats can be, so find some that are fairly reliable.

Cool scare tactics. Me likey!

I'm glad you like something....

[bcoop]

There are a lot of family members that are forced to deal with family for one reason or another. Just because you can separate yourself from your situation does not mean everyone else can.

Care to clarify this at all, because the way you wrote it is absolutely, positively, 100% wrong. Yes, everyone else can. Anyone can. It's pretty damn simple, actually. Everyone has a choice. They should stop making excuses, sack up, and make the choice. Not separating themselves from the situation is only further enabling addicts and addictive behavior.

[Forever_frost]

When my brother had a drug problem, the family told him if he wasn't interested in getting clean, he wasn't welcome around us or any of our property. Families that allow their members to act the fool are enabling that behavior. Not society's problem. Drug laws are unconstitutional and are revenue generation devices for every level of government as you're not only paying taxes for the prisons and guards and cops and squad cars and atty's, but also the property confiscation laws, the penalties put on probation and fines that go with that, I can keep going.

The war on drugs is a useless way to grow and feed big government.