52% 420 Friendly

[Jester]

Well, I can't hardly say "never" when it has been 22 years........

I can say that I cannot recall ever having done so.

So, Shawn/Sean, are you a fan of the dope? Do you do it?

Why are you so against the drug laws?

does it really matter if he does it or not? It is fucking stupid to make it illegal. Just a way to pad the governments pockets and keep people that get off on power(cops) with job security.

[03trubluGT]

Almost never? It should be never. Drug laws are horseshit.


You sure have, and it still hasn't been justified. I'm waiting on a good justification that a dumbass such as myself can't poke holes through.

Well, I can't hardly say "never" when it has been 22 years........

I can say that I cannot recall ever having done so.

So, Shawn/Sean, are you a fan of the dope? Do you do it?

Why are you so against the drug laws?

[racrguy]

Let's get this straight. I have almost NEVER arrested anyone for personal use weed. I can't elaborate because of numerous reasons, but if the person was holding his/her own personal use stuff, it wasn't worth the paperwork and I used discretion to not enforce those laws as vigorously as other officers.

Now if there were other reasons or compounding issues, then that was another story (like doing drugs around kids, etc...)

Almost never? It should be never. Drug laws are horseshit.

I've noticed this trend from you recently.

You sure have, and it still hasn't been justified. I'm waiting on a good justification that a dumbass such as myself can't poke holes through.

[03trubluGT]

All in all, you haven't justified your position that drugs need to be banned, when everything you labeled out was/is already against the law.

I've noticed this trend from you recently.

[03trubluGT]

. If you would quit arresting people for "crimes" they commit against themselves and arrest them for crimes they commit against others, there would be no correctional cost in regards to drugs.

Let's get this straight. I have almost NEVER arrested anyone for personal use weed. I can't elaborate because of numerous reasons, but if the person was holding his/her own personal use stuff, it wasn't worth the paperwork and I used discretion to not enforce those laws as vigorously as other officers.

Now if there were other reasons or compounding issues, then that was another story (like doing drugs around kids, etc...)

[03trubluGT]

Care to clarify this at all, because the way you wrote it is absolutely, positively, 100% wrong. Yes, everyone else can. Anyone can. It's pretty damn simple, actually. Everyone has a choice. They should stop making excuses, sack up, and make the choice. Not separating themselves from the situation is only further enabling addicts and addictive behavior.

What about a doper in his 40's victimizing his parents who are in their 80's?

There's a point in where people just can't stand up to predators.

[Sean88gt]

It was legal in CO and I rarely encountered it. The tax revenue help offset budget short falls. I see it being legal nationally in less than a decade.

[racrguy]

There are a lot of family members that are forced to deal with family for one reason or another. Just because you can separate yourself from your situation does not mean everyone else can.

What Brent said, as he worded it in a better fashion than I would've.

But we are. Corrections, medical, crime victims, etc. are all part of the game. You cannot dispute that.

And yet, we're still on the hook for the crime victims that aren't tied to drugs. If you would quit arresting people for "crimes" they commit against themselves and arrest them for crimes they commit against others, there would be no correctional cost in regards to drugs.

Compelled isn't the right word. That's you being dramatic. Say you get a drug conviction. With that comes a DL suspension. You get caught driving on a suspended DL. That's a Class B and here we go with another trip through the "justice system". Officers that make the arrest, tow company that pulls the vehicle, booking and jailing, bonding, grand jury, DA, etc..... Pull your head out of the sand and take a look at the big picture. That's just one example.

Do you know how many crimes are committed to pay for attorneys? Say Doper "A" gets arrested. Now since he's a doper and doesn't have a job, he has to steal to pay his bondsman and attorney. Guess what he does? JFC, Shawn/Sean are you really that naive?

Thanks for making my point for me.

So hiring, losing work product, going through the hassle of firing and looking for a replacement is just something fun for companies to do?

Because life should be fun/fair? I've seen just as many shitty employees that aren't on drugs as there are ones that were on drugs. Shitty employees will be shitty regardless of their drug use issues.

Have any stats/facts that support your thoughts on this? We all know how skewed stats can be, so find some that are fairly reliable.

Sure. Look up the Netherlands. They haven't legalized drugs, but they've taken a stance of non-enforcement.

I'm glad you like something....

Has anyone told you that you lack a sense of sarcasm?

All in all, you haven't justified your position that drugs need to be banned, when everything you labeled out was/is already against the law.

[Forever_frost]

When my brother had a drug problem, the family told him if he wasn't interested in getting clean, he wasn't welcome around us or any of our property. Families that allow their members to act the fool are enabling that behavior. Not society's problem. Drug laws are unconstitutional and are revenue generation devices for every level of government as you're not only paying taxes for the prisons and guards and cops and squad cars and atty's, but also the property confiscation laws, the penalties put on probation and fines that go with that, I can keep going.

The war on drugs is a useless way to grow and feed big government.

[bcoop]

There are a lot of family members that are forced to deal with family for one reason or another. Just because you can separate yourself from your situation does not mean everyone else can.

Care to clarify this at all, because the way you wrote it is absolutely, positively, 100% wrong. Yes, everyone else can. Anyone can. It's pretty damn simple, actually. Everyone has a choice. They should stop making excuses, sack up, and make the choice. Not separating themselves from the situation is only further enabling addicts and addictive behavior.

[03trubluGT]

Because a family is required to put up with the bullshit of other family members? Oh, right. Some families consistently put emotion and "family" in front of rationality. I have a family member that has a drug/alcohol problem. Doesn't mean I don't love him, but I don't put up with his shit either.

There are a lot of family members that are forced to deal with family for one reason or another. Just because you can separate yourself from your situation does not mean everyone else can.

The taxpayers should not be on the hook for another persons bad choices.

But we are. Corrections, medical, crime victims, etc. are all part of the game. You cannot dispute that.

So what you're saying is, if a person does drugs they are compelled to commit crimes of another nature?

Compelled isn't the right word. That's you being dramatic. Say you get a drug conviction. With that comes a DL suspension. You get caught driving on a suspended DL. That's a Class B and here we go with another trip through the "justice system". Officers that make the arrest, tow company that pulls the vehicle, booking and jailing, bonding, grand jury, DA, etc..... Pull your head out of the sand and take a look at the big picture. That's just one example.

Do you know how many crimes are committed to pay for attorneys? Say Doper "A" gets arrested. Now since he's a doper and doesn't have a job, he has to steal to pay his bondsman and attorney. Guess what he does? JFC, Shawn/Sean are you really that naive?

I've never had a job that had unlimited sick/vacation days. These are factored in with the cost of a benefits package. The company EXPECTS employees to use those days. If they go over, 1) they aren't paid for those days 2) they end up fired for absences.

So hiring, losing work product, going through the hassle of firing and looking for a replacement is just something fun for companies to do?

I'm sure that all the countries that have freed the drugs are rampant with crime

Have any stats/facts that support your thoughts on this? We all know how skewed stats can be, so find some that are fairly reliable.

Cool scare tactics. Me likey!

I'm glad you like something....

[racrguy]

So let's tackle this point by point. This really gets old. Bullshit can be spewed far quicker than it can be rebutted.

I've actually been discussing this topic with a very good friend at work.

He has the same views as a lot of you guys, and I can see his/your point of view. I'm not as steadfast as I once was.

Does this mean that I will ever smoke? No. I've gone over 45 years without it, I see absolutely no reason to start. Besides, that shit stinks.

Now to Sean's statement about accepting the aspects of that freedom.

That would be totally acceptable if it were just the user's problem. The big picture is the negative effects the excessive use and other tangibles that come with it.

We can disregard this as unneeded filler material.

Go talk to the families of hard core drug users and see how it effects them.

Because a family is required to put up with the bullshit of other family members? Oh, right. Some families consistently put emotion and "family" in front of rationality. I have a family member that has a drug/alcohol problem. Doesn't mean I don't love him, but I don't put up with his shit either.

Look at the medical complications that we the taxpayers pay for.

The taxpayers should not be on the hook for another persons bad choices.

How about the stupid stuff (crimes) people do for drugs or while on drugs.

That's already illegal.

What is the cost of housing and prosecuting criminal acts because of drugs?

So what you're saying is, if a person does drugs they are compelled to commit crimes of another nature?

What about the effect of drug use on employers? How many "sick" days does drugs cost this nation every year?

I've never had a job that had unlimited sick/vacation days. These are factored in with the cost of a benefits package. The company EXPECTS employees to use those days. If they go over, 1) they aren't paid for those days 2) they end up fired for absences.

I think the govt isn't interested in keeping you from your freedom to do drugs,

Oh, but it is.

I think it's more concerned on the snowball effect it as on those issues mentioned above. Those costs far and above outweigh the simple cost of one person doing drugs.

You mean the issues that are already crimes, and were crimes before drug prohibition was enacted? Cool story bro.

And then when that doper breaks into you home and steals your shit to fence for his next fix, how will you feel???

Already addressed

I kind of look at policing as the little boy with his finger in the dike.

I'm sure that all the countries that have freed the drugs are rampant with crime

Let that thing go and look at the flood that will ensue. Law Enforcement is just keeping things at bay, because there is no way to "win" the war on drugs.

Cool scare tactics. Me likey!

[bcoop]

That's stupid logic if I've ever seen it.

Of course that's what you think...

[FunFordCobra]

I think tanner and 03 should blaze at least once in their life. It would be hysterical!

[BradM]

Have you guys tried a dutch rudder?