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[03trubluGT]

With freedom comes the responsibility of having to accept the negative aspects of that freedom.

That's some profound shit, man.

I've actually been discussing this topic with a very good friend at work.

He has the same views as a lot of you guys, and I can see his/your point of view. I'm not as steadfast as I once was.

Does this mean that I will ever smoke? No. I've gone over 45 years without it, I see absolutely no reason to start. Besides, that shit stinks.

Now to Sean's statement about accepting the aspects of that freedom.

That would be totally acceptable if it were just the user's problem. The big picture is the negative effects the excessive use and other tangibles that come with it.

Go talk to the families of hard core drug users and see how it effects them. Look at the medical complications that we the taxpayers pay for. How about the stupid stuff (crimes) people do for drugs or while on drugs. What is the cost of housing and prosecuting criminal acts because of drugs?

What about the effect of drug use on employers? How many "sick" days does drugs cost this nation every year?

I think the govt isn't interested in keeping you from your freedom to do drugs, I think it's more concerned on the snowball effect it as on those issues mentioned above. Those costs far and above outweigh the simple cost of one person doing drugs.

[kingjason]

That argument is being used right now to take away the right to keep and bear arms. No, I don't see safety as a right, it's a responsibility. Until police drive without using their laptops or cell phones, I don't want to hear that I can't. However if you're going to lock out squad cars and police phones too? I'm willing to listen.

I very rarely ever talk on my cell in the squad and I pull over to talk on it. If I am going to text I am absolutely stopped.

[Tannerm]

If this was directed at me, I'm far from butt hurt. I understand your view, as stated. I was just clarifying, that your view is your view, due to chosen profession.


I get why you think what you do. I think you're wrong in that, but it doesn't bother me a bit. And as you know, opinions are like assholes, blah blah blah.

Exactly! Everyone has their opinion. It wasn't directly talking at u. Mainly the folks that got madbro at it. It's all good. Some friendly, healthy debating. Good for the heart/blood pressure... Errr, I mean mind

That argument is being used right now to take away the right to keep and bear arms. No, I don't see safety as a right, it's a responsibility. Until police drive without using their laptops or cell phones, I don't want to hear that I can't. However if you're going to lock out squad cars and police phones too? I'm willing to listen.

A lot of cities are adopting policies that prohibit use of the MDT and cellular use while moving in ur squad. My previous AND current city have this policy. U get seen doin it, cause an accident, etc: hope to at least get paper on the violation.

[bcoop]

They can legalize it all they want. I have seen the worst in people on both substances. Skewed view? Maybe. But the question I responded to was about a stoner and a drunk. If I knew they were either and I was hiring, I would probably pass them up for someone else who will piss clean etc. my experience with stoners and drunks are unfortunately not what most see. Glad some of y'all got it. Others, sorry u got butthurt.

If this was directed at me, I'm far from butt hurt. I understand your view, as stated. I was just clarifying, that your view is your view, due to chosen profession.


I get why you think what you do. I think you're wrong in that, but it doesn't bother me a bit. And as you know, opinions are like assholes, blah blah blah.

[Forever_frost]

Because I have the right to walk or ride my bike down the street without being killed by a dumbass texting. So if we can only enforce after you kill someone that is a little late in my book. A slap on the wrist is better then anyone's life in my book. I really can not believe people argue about texting and driving. Like I said I could care less about another law as long as the cell phone companies address the issue.

That argument is being used right now to take away the right to keep and bear arms. No, I don't see safety as a right, it's a responsibility. Until police drive without using their laptops or cell phones, I don't want to hear that I can't. However if you're going to lock out squad cars and police phones too? I'm willing to listen.

[naynay]

I usually do 15 under. Lol. With all this being said for the third time in my adult life I am 100% clean. I'm thinking about freezing some pee and buying a few grams just for the fuck of it.

[LaserSVT]

Well I actually do know some kids that got high, skipped school and hit a car head on. They only killed themselves and nobody else. I think weed should be legal but I think you shouldn't be allowed to drive high either.

I concur. DWI is bad m'kay. I also have high double standards and am having a hard time typing this while keeping the joint lit and not spill my uber size French frys while doing 15 over on I45.

[blownaltered]

I smoke. Will always smoke. Don't drink.

Never been on welfare, never had government financial assistance and only had unemployment once and that's because it took 3 months to find my next job due to location.

I have no accidents on my driving record. Been pulled over a couple times for stupid stuff like tint and license plate trim while blazed yet had no issues because I don't act "blazed".

I don't smoke at work or before work. I have a decent level of education and have worked for NASA. According to IQ testing (don't put much into that test) I am "genius" level of intelligence and I don't commit crimes.... other than smoking.... which shouldn't be a crime.


I have always been for legalization of it just for the simple facts that its the least harmful feel good thing out there. When is the last time you heard about some "stoned on weed" driver killing someone? Or "He was stoned out of his mind and beat me and the kids" or "Man held up gas station at gunpoint because he was high on marijuana."?

Shit needs to be legal, more so when you realize why it was made illegal in the first place.

Well I actually do know some kids that got high, skipped school and hit a car head on. They only killed themselves and nobody else. I think weed should be legal but I think you shouldn't be allowed to drive high either.

[naynay]

coming from a town like el paso, i would've thought that'd be an every day thing. glad i could be of service to you though.how high is this totem pole?

[exlude]

EHHH, OK, I DONT EVEN REGURGITATE SHIT, I COPY/PASTE. IF IT'S WRONG SUE ME, I JUST LIKE TO SEE YOU GET UP IN ARMS

Oh don't worry, pointing out your repetitive stupidity is far from me getting up in arms. It's actually relaxing to be repeatedly assured that there are people below me on the totem pole.

[LaserSVT]

i totally forgot what i was going to type after i hit this bong

I LOL'd

[crapstang]

I don't get what is so hard to understand. There are smart people, and dumb people, but some people from both groups do drugs. Smart people will know how to handle themselves, and dumb people will let it drag them into the deep end.
The proof is there that making a substance (or action for this matter) illegal will not solve the problem. Big brother wants the Amerian people to be scared of these illegal things, so they can "protect us" from them. By that they mean strip our rights away, but as long as the people approve of it, it is "ok." This happens in every country that allows an abusive government to take over, it never happens over night.

I thought this was a good quote for Nancy: "Liberal: a power worshipper without power."
George Orwell

In regards the the previous quote: The only thing I can agree with you on is the legalization of drugs. I believe in this for a different reason though.

I have never done any drugs and never intend to, and I believe human beings do not need a large government to make a small decision, such as this, for themselves.

[racrguy]

Don't worry it wont be long before someone "important" gets killed by someone texting. Then there will be a class action against one cell phone company, and they will do something about it. Nothing says take away a personal responsibility like a big fat lawsuit.

I am done with you today fucker, it is to nice to be in doors.

I said good day!

I'm stuck at work for another hour. Then I'm getting the fuck outta here. Dunno what Imma do yet though.

[Snatch Napkin]

You and me would agree with a lot more then you think on that subject.

To the second part of that REALLLY! Cmon have you read any news lately? I would bet less then 50 percent of this country has any clue about personal responsibility.

I'm grasping here, but I'll be willing to bet that the number of news articles about people losing control and killing someone are less than 5% of our nations' population. That's not even a high enough statistic to warrant a recall from auto manufacturers.

[kingjason]

I agree with you that there isn't a majority that are "for" personal responsibility, but when you say things like:



That is explicitly removing a persons responsibility for their actions.

Don't worry it wont be long before someone "important" gets killed by someone texting. Then there will be a class action against one cell phone company, and they will do something about it. Nothing says take away a personal responsibility like a big fat lawsuit.

I am done with you today fucker, it is to nice to be in doors.

I said good day!