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  • Gay rights... who are we to judge?

    After reading the facebook trolling thread, I have thought about this whole thing throughout the day. Many of my friends support gay marriage and I think to myself who are we to judge others and their ways.

    I find it amazing that in this day and age we are having this argument of whether gay marriage should be allowed or not. Our society is evolving as it has in the past.

    Through the evolution of society we see our morality changing with each generation. We can search back in history and see that society had much different views on morality. Today morality is set with some basic principals that seem to be founded upon the Christian beliefs though these beliefs are changing in the teachings of Christ. Currently each state has laws that dictate the morality of many things including the legal age of consent, the age at which one can marry, etc. We can look back in history and see that open Roman orgies were commonplace and now would be considered taboo. In history we found people were married in the early teenage years. Yes we can attribute these ideas based upon the shorter expectancy of life, but it was once moral. We currently see many world religions that push themselves onto others with the goal of converting the other. Each saying their way of life is correct though many people will disagree.

    Who are we to push our views upon others? Our society has developed societal norms over time which seems to keep evolving. While people stick to their views and try and push them upon others we see that there is push back. The growth of radical views from people such as radical Islamist to the radical views of Westboro Baptist Church. These are also groups that feel their views are above all and that their morals are just. Who are we to say that our morals supersede theirs? Morality is not only changing over the years we can see that morality has different meanings. The morals of the Christian religion preached by Westboro Baptist Church are not the same morals taught by local churches such as Fellowship Church though their principals are based on the same philosophy.

    While I previously did not believe in gay marriage, who am I to deny the rights of happiness between two men or two women? Why should my views prevent them from receiving death benefits or health benefits of their partner. Both of these situations have nothing to do with my own views. While the ideal of marriage may mean many different things to different people, who are we to deny the rights to others. Who declared that marriage is between a man and a woman? We can see the societal changes that are imminent as we see more health insurance companies allowing domestic partners to be added to health insurance plans and employers willing to pay for them.

    Previously I did not support gay couples having the right to adopt children. While I am very reserved on this opinion I have opened my eyes. A guy I work with and his partner have a son who is a grown adult. They are a happy family and who am I to stop that? I have always feared that children will be made fun of having two mothers or two fathers. While I do believe this will take decade upon decade to resolve this idea, it comes back to the same principals. If we can be open to allowing views different from ours, then we can stop children from making fun of others. We can look back in history where some people were more progressive and white people had black friends. Black people were hounded over decades and eventually given equality. Who are we to deny this equality to gay people? A civil war was fought over the morality of men and women being property as slaves. After hundreds of thousands of men women and children died defending their views on the morality of slavery, we founded the laws to declare slavery illegal. The evolution of morality is inevitable.

    tl;dr
    Who are we to say gay men and women should not be allowed to marry, and what is their justification?

  • #2
    As a "free nation" and the country who boasts the most liberties to pursue happiness, I don't give a shit if two dudes want to get hitched. Not my business. I reverse troll that cause if I don't give two shits about their right to be happy, the rest of the nation should respect my right to bear arms. Two way street.
    Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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    • #3
      Seriously, like maybe 20% of the country objects to gay marriage. At best. The problem is that everybody that says they'll vote for is too lazy to do so because they can't just click a yes or no link on google.
      "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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      • #4
        I could care less about gay marriage. It does not bother me one bit. It's those very few Christian groups that oppose them, and they are so close minded its beyond belief.

        If they want to get hitch, I say let them. Sad to say we have (or had) to make laws that forbids that type of thing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jdgregory84 View Post
          Seriously, like maybe 20% of the country objects to gay marriage. At best. The problem is that everybody that says they'll vote for is too lazy to do so because they can't just click a yes or no link on google.
          I doubt that, when cali itself couldn't pull the votes by the people, I doubt the rest of the nation would.
          "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

          -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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          • #6
            bible say it, but they wont allow kids to bring religion into school. i dont see how these two differ. let em marry. good thing good the allow marriage outside your religion or race.

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            • #7
              I don't care if they get married or not. If that's what makes them happy more power to them.
              I just don't think they should push their propaganda on the rest of us.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 01-GATOR View Post
                I don't care if they get married or not. If that's what makes them happy more power to them.
                I just don't think they should push their propaganda on the rest of us.
                Winner
                /thread

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 01-GATOR View Post
                  I don't care if they get married or not. If that's what makes them happy more power to them.
                  I just don't think they should push their propaganda on the rest of us.
                  thats AMERICA for you.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FATHERFORD View Post
                    I doubt that, when cali itself couldn't pull the votes by the people, I doubt the rest of the nation would.
                    Cali is no different than any other state when it comes to voting. Plenty of people have opinions, but when it takes effort to apply them...nothing.
                    "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                    • #11
                      I could care less. I have been miserable in every marriage I have been in. Let them be miserable too.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jdgregory84 View Post
                        Cali is no different than any other state when it comes to voting. Plenty of people have opinions, but when it takes effort to apply them...nothing.
                        Well, hell, let's just take everything out of the voter's hands. Why even hold elections? Craziness...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SSMAN View Post
                          I could care less. I have been miserable in every marriage I have been in. Let them be miserable too.
                          the 3 rings of marriage : engagment ring, wedding ring and suffeRING

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                          • #14
                            This is getting ridiculous. I'm not for the gays having relations, unless they're both female and hot. If that's the case, then let them have whatever they want as long as their relations are videoed and available for viewing for free.

                            Seriously, though, it is not our call to say who can be with each other, but then you're going to have the 50 year old uncle and 17 year old niece from Arkansas wanting those same rights. What about the Morman and his several fiancées? Are we going to deny them of their rightful happiness that ELVIS and Geor are asking for?

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                            • #15
                              <---another person who doesnt even care



                              as far as religion goes, it's just a scare tactic to make a group of people do/not do something. disagree? tell me why your god is better than _________'s god.

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