with the short shorts and neckerchief.....

[46Tbird]

Or the abortion debate with different babies?

(no its' not)

It's how much freedom you're willing to allow "someone else" to have around your loved ones, and how you perceive that "someone else."

Is he a sane, reasonable person that just happens to have a unique hobby, or is he a wild eyed maniac waiting to pull a weapon out and fire it into a crowd?

See, it's exactly the same argument.

[downshift_me]

Can you just put the kid in Girl Scouts so I can get a hook up on cookies?

[Lason]

Good for you. You don't have an issue with it. Some other people might. Yes I'm aware there are gay teachers. And? Are we talking about schools now?

Well you said

"Scouts is an organization where you leave your kids completely in the care of other adults, often for the first time in their life. So ask yourself, how comfortable are you sending your 5yr old boy into the woods with a gay man for a week? "

Unless I have been doing it wrong all these years, my kids sit in classrooms without me all day as well. Wouldnt that be the same thing?

[ELVIS]

Elvis, I'm not sure you or Jr get to choose if he decides to be gay or not. Like a guy I grew up with once told me, "Why would I choose to live a life where people look down on me, say awful things to me, & treat me like less of a person if I had an actual choice?" Makes sense to me that it's not a conscious choice that one makes.

i certainly understand that. i also said i imagine life is much easier for a straight person that a homosexual. that said i wouldnt let jr hang out with murderers, theifs, ne'er-do-wells, gangsters, rapists. those people are not what i want Jr to learn from. someone once said show me your friends and i'll show you your future. i find lots of truth in that. I am just saying that with my admittedly little knowledge on the subject that i as a father HAVE to do what I deem in the best interest of raising a well adjusted young man. in its simplest yet most homophobic form its the same reason i dont dress him in pink and buy him barbie dolls (insert Elvis doll joke here) i want to give my son the most and best i can. i believe most parents try to raise their kids with their values. could i be 100% wrong in my feelings on the issue??? certainly!!!!!!!!!!! am i the one who has to go to sleep at night for the rest of my life if im not???

god bless.

[Binky]

It's how much freedom you're willing to allow "someone else" to have around your loved ones, and how you perceive that "someone else."

Is he a sane, reasonable person that just happens to have a unique hobby, or is he a wild eyed maniac waiting to pull a weapon out and fire it into a crowd?

See, it's exactly the same argument.

You can say that Human Rights is the same argument. Don't make something its not - there are parallels and even shared ideas - but its not the same thing.

[46Tbird]

You can say that Human Rights is the same argument. Don't make something its not - there are parallels and even shared ideas - but its not the same thing.

Allowing gay people to be leaders of children is a human right?

[Cobraman]

[Binky]

Allowing gay people to be leaders of children is a human right?

That type of strawman argument "comeback" is exactly why I am saying these discussions are nothing like each other. It takes one smartass comment to derail everything down to a mess of bullshit.

[racrguy]

New International Version (©1984)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

English Standard Version (©2001)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality,

International Standard Version (©2012)
You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Or do you not know that evil men do not inherit The Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; no fornicators, neither worshipers of idols, neither adulterers, neither sexual molesters, neither males lying down with males,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

American King James Version
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

American Standard Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,

Darby Bible Translation
Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,

English Revised Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

Webster's Bible Translation
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Weymouth New Testament
Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,

World English Bible
Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

Young's Literal Translation
have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,

So, from what I can tell what you've posted, the only versions that use the word homosexual were copywritten after 1980.....

With the exception of the American Standard Version, which was written in the 20's and 30's.

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Yeah I'm sure that's what a bunch of average joe hetero dads really want. A bunch of sillynannies teaching their boys.

[Sean88gt]

That type of strawman argument "comeback" is exactly why I am saying these discussions are nothing like each other. It takes one smartass comment to derail everything down to a mess of bullshit.

It's a valid statement, you just don't care for it.

[Binky]

It's a valid statement, you just don't care for it.

Respect for an individual to have their own choices and live their own lives how they choose and see fit is a human right.

And gay men and women are already leaders of your children and have been for thousands of years.

But good on you for not putting up with it anymore.

[mustang_revival]

So, from what I can tell what you've posted, the only versions that use the word homosexual were copywritten after 1980.....

With the exception of the American Standard Version, which was written in the 20's and 30's.

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

LoL ok I supposed your bible reads "nor abusers of themselves with men,"

That means homosexuals. Are you seriously arguing God is cool with homosexuals?

[Pro88LX]

Respect for an individual to have their own choices and live their own lives how they choose and see fit is a human right

Unless you are against gays in the boy scouts and posting in this thread apparently......

[A+]

Where all those from different bibles bro? I tell you what, I wouldn't mind my kids looking up to some of the gay doctors and lawyers I know.