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    STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Emelie is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

    Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

    Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

    Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention.

    Europe's drugs regulator has ruled Pandemrix should no longer be used in people aged under 20. The chief medical officer at GSK's vaccines division, Norman Begg, says his firm views the issue extremely seriously and is "absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of this", but adds there is not yet enough data or evidence to suggest a causal link.

    Others - including Emmanuel Mignot, one of the world's leading experts on narcolepsy, who is being funded by GSK to investigate further - agree more research is needed but say the evidence is already clearly pointing in one direction.

    "There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Pandemrix increased the occurrence of narcolepsy onset in children in some countries - and probably in most countries," says Mignot, a specialist in the sleep disorder at Stanford University in the United States.

    30 MILLION RECEIVED PANDEMRIX

    In total, the GSK shot was given to more than 30 million people in 47 countries during the 2009-2010 H1N1 swine flu pandemic. Because it contains an adjuvant, or booster, it was not used in the United States because drug regulators there are wary of adjuvanted vaccines.

    GSK says 795 people across Europe have reported developing narcolepsy since the vaccine's use began in 2009.

    Questions about how the narcolepsy cases are linked to Pandemrix, what the triggers and biological mechanisms might have been, and whether there might be a genetic susceptibility are currently the subject of deep scientific investigation.

    But experts on all sides are wary. Rare adverse reactions can swiftly develop into "vaccine scares" that spiral out of proportion and cast what one of Europe's top flu experts calls a "long shadow" over public confidence in vaccines that control potential killers like measles and polio.

    "No-one wants to be the next Wakefield," said Mignot, referring to the now discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield who sparked a decades-long backlash against the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) shot with false claims of links to autism.

    With the narcolepsy studies, there is no suggestion that the findings are the work of one rogue doctor.

    Independent teams of scientists have published peer-reviewed studies from Sweden, Finland and Ireland showing the risk of developing narcolepsy after the 2009-2010 immunization campaign was between seven and 13 times higher for children who had Pandemrix than for their unvaccinated peers.

    "We really do want to get to the bottom of this. It's not in anyone's interests if there is a safety issue that needs to be addressed," said GSK's Begg.

    LIFE CHANGED

    Emelie's parents, Charles and Marie Olsson, say she was a top student who loved playing the piano, taking tennis lessons, creating art and having fun with friends. But her life started to change in early 2010, a few months after she had Pandemrix. In the spring of 2010, they noticed she was often tired, needing to sleep when she came home from school.

    But it wasn't until May, when she began collapsing at school, that it became clear something serious was happening.

    As well as the life-limiting bouts of daytime sleepiness, narcolepsy brings nightmares, hallucinations, sleep paralysis and episodes of cataplexy - when strong emotions trigger a sudden and dramatic loss of muscle strength.

    In Emelie's case, having fun is the emotional trigger. "I can't laugh or joke about with my friends anymore, because when I do I get cataplexies and collapse," she said in an interview at her home in the Swedish capital.

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    Who here gets flu shots?
    I never have had one that I know of and never intend on getting one. I hate hospitals, and always will...I refuse to go unless it is an emergency.
    Originally posted by Buzzo
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    never had a flu shot and i never get the flu. people i know that get it are sick all the time.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Pro88LX View Post
      never had a flu shot and i never get the flu. people i know that get it are sick all the time.
      All of the people that I know that take pills and shots for damn near everything that effects them are ALWAYS getting sick. Eat good, let colds run their course, and move on...it's natural. I hardly ever get sick, so my hippie theory works I guess
      Originally posted by Buzzo
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      • #4
        You're also 18, so illness is easier to bounce back from, or smooth ignore in some cases.
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          My yellow CDC shot record is completely full and it doesn't include the shots the Marine Corps gave me or a handfull of others were docs wouldn't annotate it on the yellow form. I cring EVERY FUCKING TIME they stick me. It is not the needle it is the "what the fuck is in this one" feeling I get. Per the military MOD10/11 I have to have certain shots to stay employed. Fuckers hit me with everything all the time for no fucking reason. I think a big part is our company has ordered so many meds, they have to shoot us with them or they expire and we don't get reimbursed by the government for expired meds.

          Now that I have a daughter, this kind of story makes me sick to even think about the throats I would rip out if she ever got sick like this.
          Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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          • #6
            800 folks out of 30 MILLION. Vaccines will effect some folks differently than others. The real question is, how many folks would have died from the flu without the vaccine out there? How many people don't get the flu every year, even though they didn't get the shot or flu mister, because so many other people did get the shot/mister, didn't get sick and didn't give it to the folks who didn't get the shot/mister?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yale View Post
              You're also 18, so illness is easier to bounce back from, or smooth ignore in some cases.
              i'm 28 and i'm sick as infrequently as i was when i was 18. i rarely take medicine, and when i do it knocks shit out quick since i haven't built a tolerance. i guess i'm on the hippie method also lol

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              • #8
                I have narcolepsy, I didn't get it from a flu shot. Booooooooooo, I wanna sue for money!!!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pro88LX View Post
                  i'm 28 and i'm sick as infrequently as i was when i was 18. i rarely take medicine, and when i do it knocks shit out quick since i haven't built a tolerance.
                  Same here at 41.
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                  • #10
                    Never had flu shot, and never gotten the flu. Knock on wood!

                    I'm 39

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pro88LX View Post
                      i'm 28 and i'm sick as infrequently as i was when i was 18. i rarely take medicine, and when i do it knocks shit out quick since i haven't built a tolerance. i guess i'm on the hippie method also lol
                      Anecdotal!
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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=kbscobravert;951615]My yellow CDC shot record is completely full and it doesn't include the shots the Marine Corps gave me or a handfull of others were docs wouldn't annotate it on the yellow form. I cring EVERY FUCKING TIME they stick me. It is not the needle it is the "what the fuck is in this one" feeling I get. Per the military MOD10/11 I have to have certain shots to stay employed. Fuckers hit me with everything all the time for no fucking reason. I think a big part is our company has ordered so many meds, they have to shoot us with them or they expire and we don't get reimbursed by the government for expired meds.

                        This is the fucking truth, if you ever get deployed, even as a civilian with the military, you will feel like a pin cushion. Only one I lucked out on not getting was the smallpox vaccine, because I had cancer and had radiation treatments within 6 months.

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                        • #13
                          Smallpox vaccine sucks, anthrax is the worst shot I have ever had though. Everytime I got one my entire arm felt like it was on fire for hours.

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                          • #14
                            Never had a flu shot and I do not plan on ever getting one. I've been in the septic pumping business for going on 7 years now and have only been sick maybe once, my wife takes shit all the time to help her sickness and I tell her to just let it run it's course...

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                            • #15
                              Devil's advocate mode: ON

                              Nothing in our world will ever be perfect. Look at the situation from a statistical significance angle.


                              A manufacturing process is said to be completely stellar if they can reach that magical "6 Sigma" level which is 3.4 defects per million opportunities, and that is on hard parts that are machined, molded, assemled or whatever else with a very defined and structured process with the result being an inanimate object.

                              Now throw in the GIANT problem of the human body and how everyone's body is not the same and different people react differently to the same things.


                              800 in 30,000 is 27 defects per million. This is still greater than 5 Sigma (closer to 5.5). It's a failure rate of 0.0000266%



                              Yes, it's touchy b/c it a human life that's being messed with but look at that ~5.6 Sigma level in comparison w/ some other things...

                              For many medical experiments, researchers need merely to clear the 2 Sigma threshold.

                              To cite evidence—but not discovery—of a new particle in physics you need 3 Sigma confidence.

                              Before the Higgs-Boson will be "confirmed" as a new particle researchers will need 5 Sigma data. They are currently in the 4.9 range.

                              The vaccine is at 5.6 with the evidence on the table right now.

                              Also remember this is not linear.

                              Last edited by Strychnine; 01-23-2013, 10:07 AM.

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