School shooting this morning

[mikec]

Let today's tragic event be a reminder of just how quickly life can be whisked away without warning. Cherish the time you have with friends and family because tomorrow is never promised and nothing is worse than wishing you had spent more time with someone once they're gone. Never let your work or other trivial things get in the way of the things that really matter in life.

Amen

[95DRGT]

This is so sad- I can't imagine what these families are going through.RIP and prayers go out to all related to this tragedy.

[SMKR]

Yeah, and the answers keep changing. So I don't think he's wrong for looking for a current recap.

Its a very fluid event as it transpires

[SMKR]

that


None of this shit is making much sense, but I would like to know which tidbits of info I can throw away.

Here you go:

Son lives with mother alone together
Father lives in another town
Ryan the older brother isnt very close to his younger brother
Adam gets his mothers gun and kills her in their home
Adam drives to her place of work and murders 20 of her students along with multiple faculty and himself
Adam has asperger/autism
Fbi is talking to father and Ryan

[2165 Turbo Rail]

Here you go:

Son lives with mother alone together
Father lives in another town
Ryan the older brother isnt very close to his younger brother
Adam gets his mothers gun and kills her in their home
Adam drives to her place of work and murders 20 of her students along with multiple faculty and himself
Adam has asperger/autism
Fbi is talking to father and Ryan

best run down I've heard yet

[DON SVO]

The gun control nut-huggers are going to latch onto 2012 as a banner year for their cause. Batman shooter, Oregon Mall shooter, and now this.

Sure, the availability of firearms has made it easier to kill a gaggle of people in a short amount of time. But in reality, it's only facilitating a deeper issue that (I think) needs to be addressed: why are there so many nut jobs going on killing sprees? The weapon of choice means nothing. The mindset is the real crux of the problem. How many guns did the 9-11 terrorists use? How about Timothy McVeigh? That loon in China from today? My point here is short and bittersweet... People that decide that A LOT of people need to die to further their cause will find a way to make it work. Even the Columbine kids used a shitload of IEDs. When someone decides that mass killing is the way to go, they're goin to make it happen.

Now on a darker note (and playing devils advocate), what if the availability of firearms actually MIMIMIZED the death toll? If this guy or the mall shooter or the Batman shooter had just detonated a decently made bomb instead of shooting, it's a given that the death toll would have been MUCH higher in all cases. Realistically, sneaking 2 pounds of C4 wrapped in 2 rolls of duct tape and 10lbs of roofing nails is MUCH easier to conceal than an AR15.

Guns are not the problem: the sudden rise in these kind of vermin is.

[Jester]

The gun control nut-huggers are going to latch onto 2012 as a banner year for their cause. Batman shooter, Oregon Mall shooter, and now this.

Sure, the availability of firearms has made it easier to kill a gaggle of people in a short amount of time. But in reality, it's only facilitating a deeper issue that (I think) needs to be addressed: why are there so many nut jobs going on killing sprees? The weapon of choice means nothing. The mindset is the real crux of the problem. How many guns did the 9-11 terrorists use? How about Timothy McVeigh? That loon in China from today? My point here is short and bittersweet... People that decide that A LOT of people need to die to further their cause will find a way to make it work. Even the Columbine kids used a shitload of IEDs. When someone decides that mass killing is the way to go, they're goin to make it happen.

Now on a darker note (and playing devils advocate), what if the availability of firearms actually MIMIMIZED the death toll? If this guy or the mall shooter or the Batman shooter had just detonated a decently made bomb instead of shooting, it's a given that the death toll would have been MUCH higher in all cases. Realistically, sneaking 2 pounds of C4 wrapped in 2 rolls of duct tape and 10lbs of roofing nails is MUCH easier to conceal than an AR15.

Guns are not the problem: the sudden rise in these kind of vermin is.

you're exactly right Don, the liberal nutjobs of the world are going to just use this to further push their agenda.

['90Vert]

I read on here more then I post - but this tragedy absolutely terrifies me.......

I have a little girl in Kindergarten and one in 2nd grade.

I teach 7th and 8th grade special education - I can assure you at my campus (not going to name it here for now and would appreciate it if the dfwmustangs detectives didn't figure it out and post it either) the front door and most of the back doors are not locked. The office can not see the front door and people walk into the building all the time uninvited. I frequently have parents show up in my classroom in the middle of the schoolday without having checked in at the office first. There is not a police officer assigned to our campus; but the campus is very close to a police station........ Security is nonexistent. The school consists of two buildings - so if it was kept locked students wouldn't have access between the two building.


Even if doors are kept locked - the typical adolescence would not think twice before opening the back door to the school if they saw a strange adult knocking...

I understand that most teachers would choose not to - but it just takes one. Teachers with a CHL should be allowed to carry at school.

[Captain Crawfish]

I still think the meds these kids r on is messing them up.

[petyweestraw]

I read on here more then I post - but this tragedy absolutely terrifies me.......

I have a little girl in Kindergarten and one in 2nd grade.

I teach 7th and 8th grade special education - I can assure you at my campus (not going to name it here for now and would appreciate it if the dfwmustangs detectives didn't figure it out and post it either) the front door and most of the back doors are not locked. The office can not see the front door and people walk into the building all the time uninvited. I frequently have parents show up in my classroom in the middle of the schoolday without having checked in at the office first. There is not a police officer assigned to our campus; but the campus is very close to a police station........ Security is nonexistent. The school consists of two buildings - so if it was kept locked students wouldn't have access between the two building.


Even if doors are kept locked - the typical adolescence would not think twice before opening the back door to the school if they saw a strange adult knocking...

I understand that most teachers would choose not to - but it just takes one. Teachers with a CHL should be allowed to carry at school.

You not have a,watch dog programs here? That would help keep eyes everywhere .

[03trubluGT]

It makes me wonder if there were any signs. Online, in a journal, red flags that mom might have seen/ignored?

I'm sure the FBI will put together a nice picture of how it could have been prevented, but we need to learn how to detect and deter.

I know gun banishment is not the answer.

['90Vert]

You not have a,watch dog programs here? That would help keep eyes everywhere .

Yes- but adolescence kids watching each other wouldn't do much to catch a crazy like this. It does get the occasional kid busted with weed.

['90Vert]

It makes me wonder if there were any signs. Online, in a journal, red flags that mom might have seen/ignored?

I'm sure the FBI will put together a nice picture of how it could have been prevented, but we need to learn how to detect and deter.

I know gun banishment is not the answer.

Hindsight is always 20/20- I'm sure they will find warning signs.

[davbrucas]

Fucking makes me sick...little angels getting ready for Santa and now they are dead. WTF is wrong with people?

This is more ammo for the liberal gun control agenda for sure...


And some of you still believe that there is a god watching over us? LoL.

[petyweestraw]

Yes- but adolescence kids watching each other wouldn't do much to catch a crazy like this. It does get the occasional kid busted with weed.

No no. Its actual fathers that take a day to come to the school and help. We also have scheduled parameter checks to make sure the school is safe from wanderers and make sure doors are locked.