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  • #31
    Originally posted by CJ View Post
    I also questioned why no one came to help the guy. If the train is approaching the station, I can't imagine it was moving very quickly. But, it could have been passing through which I think at least give some explanation. All the poor guy needed was a hand. But, we can all be couch heros, who knows the situation.
    Careful Talisman will call you an idiot.

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    • #32
      Bystander Effect

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Shorty View Post
        I just finished explaining kitty genovese syndrome to someone a minute ago - fucking random.
        Originally posted by davbrucas
        I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

        Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

        You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by slow99 View Post
          I just finished explaining kitty genovese syndrome to someone a minute ago - fucking random.
          god damn the guy that killed her was a fucking monster.

          The events of Genovese's death are subject to dispute. Some accounts suggest that her cries for help were heard and ignored by numerous residents at the apartment. Other accounts, as detailed below, suggest that residents did not hear her pleas or did provide assistance or both. The exact details of what happened are unknown.

          Genovese had driven home from her job working as a bar manager early in the morning of March 13, 1964. Arriving home at about 3:15 am she parked in the Long Island Rail Road parking lot about 100 feet (30 m) from her apartment's door, located in an alley way at the rear of the building. As she walked towards the building she was approached by Winston Moseley.[2] Frightened, Genovese began to run across the parking lot and towards the front of her building located on Austin Street trying to make it up to the corner towards the major thoroughfare of Lefferts Boulevard. Moseley ran after her, quickly overtook her and stabbed her twice in the back. Genovese screamed, "Oh my God, he stabbed me! Help me!" Her cry was heard by several neighbors but, on a cold night with the windows closed, only a few of them recognized the sound as a cry for help. When Robert Mozer, one of the neighbors, shouted at the attacker, "Let that girl alone!"[9] Moseley ran away and Genovese slowly made her way toward the rear entrance of her apartment building.[10] She was seriously injured, but now out of view of those few who may have had reason to believe she was in need of help.

          Records of the earliest calls to police are unclear and were not given a high priority by the police. One witness said his father called police after the initial attack and reported that a woman was "beat up, but got up and was staggering around."[11]

          Other witnesses observed Moseley enter his car and drive away, only to return ten minutes later. In his car, he changed to a wide-brimmed hat to shadow his face. He systematically searched the parking lot, train station, and an apartment complex. Eventually, he found Genovese who was lying, barely conscious, in a hallway at the back of the building where a locked doorway had prevented her from entering the building.[12] Out of view of the street and of those who may have heard or seen any sign of the original attack, he proceeded to further attack her, stabbing her several more times. Knife wounds in her hands suggested that she attempted to defend herself from him. While she lay dying, he raped her. He stole about $49 from her and left her in the hallway. The attacks spanned approximately half an hour.

          A few minutes after the final attack a witness, Karl Ross, called the police. Police arrived within minutes of Ross' call. Genovese was taken away by ambulance at 4:15 am and died en route to the hospital. Later investigation by police and prosecutors revealed that approximately a dozen (but almost certainly not the 38 cited in the Times article) individuals nearby had heard or observed portions of the attack, though none saw or were aware of the entire incident.[4] Only one witness, Joseph Fink, was aware she was stabbed in the first attack, and only Karl Ross was aware of it in the second attack. Many were entirely unaware that an assault or homicide was in progress; some thought that what they saw or heard was a lovers' quarrel or a drunken brawl or a group of friends leaving the bar when Moseley first approached Genovese.[10]
          Winston Moseley (born March 2, 1935), an African-American business machine operator,[13] was later apprehended in connection with burglary charges. He confessed not only to the murder of Kitty Genovese, but also to two other murders, both involving sexual assaults. Subsequent psychiatric examinations suggested that Moseley was a necrophile.[14]

          Moseley gave a confession to the police in which he detailed the attack, corroborating the physical evidence at the scene. His motive for the attack was simply "to kill a woman." Moseley preferred to kill women because, he said, "they were easier and didn't fight back".[15] Moseley stated that he got up that night around 2:00 am, leaving his wife asleep at home, and drove around to find a victim. He spied Genovese and followed her to the parking lot.[16]

          Moseley also testified at his own trial where he further described the attack (along with two other murders and numerous attacks), leaving no question that he was the killer.[15]

          He was convicted of murder. On Monday, June 15, 1964, when the death sentence was announced by the jury foreman "The [court]room erupted into loud spontaneous applause and cheers." When calm had returned, the judge added, "I don't believe in capital punishment, but when I see this monster, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the switch myself!"[15] On June 1, 1967, the New York Court of Appeals found that Moseley should have been able to argue that he was "medically insane" at the sentencing hearing when the trial court found that he had been legally sane, and the initial death sentence was reduced to an indeterminate sentence/lifetime imprisonment.[17]

          In 1968, during a trip to a Buffalo, New York, hospital for surgery on a self-inflicted injury, Moseley overpowered a guard and beat him to the point that his eyes were bloody. He then took a baseball bat and swung it at the closest person to him and took five hostages, raping one of them in front of her husband—actions for which Moseley would later blame his parents[18]—before he was recaptured after a two-day manhunt.[15] He also participated in the 1971 Attica Prison riots.[19] In the late 1970s Moseley obtained a B.A. in Sociology in prison.[15]

          Moseley's first parole hearing in 1984 included his defense that "For a victim outside, it's a one-time or one-hour or one-minute affair, but for the person who's caught, it's forever."[18] Moseley remains in prison after being denied parole a fifteenth time in November 2011.[20][21] Moseley's next parole hearing is scheduled for November 2013.[22]
          They sentenced him to death, then decided to reduce it, then he escapes and beats 5 people and rapes a woman in front of her husband. Great job New York - A+ work there.
          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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          • #35
            NEW YORK (AP) — The man who police say pushed another man to his death in front of an oncoming New York City subway train says he was high on drugs and trying combat voices in his head.

            Authorities have charged 30-year-old Naeem Davis with second-degree murder in the Monday death of 58-year-old Ki-Suck Han.

            Davis tells the New York Post (http://bit.ly/TLW17v) in a jailhouse interview that Han had grabbed his arm and threatened him earlier. He says he was coaxed into shoving Han by voices in his head that he couldn't control.

            Davis tells the newspaper he didn't attempt to pull Han to safety because "it happened so fast" and he was "under the influence" at the time.

            He says he didn't mean to kill Han.

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            • #36
              In the words of Mick Jagger, "go ahead, bite the big apple. Don't mind the maggot's."

              NYC may be a cool place to visit, but not a place I'd ever want to call "home".

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              • #37
                Funny when there is a tragedy everyone states how it happened "so fast...." yet when someone is saved those involved say it was like "time stood still..."

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