Question for those of you that doing hiring

[Vertnut]

We (the customers) appreciate this kind of policy.

And more along the lines of what I was thinking. I have no use for a stinking thief. Even in food service where there might be access to cash and cards.

[mustang_revival]

Not going to go into all of what else was said, but as hiring manager, I doubt I would even consider a person convicted of theft and / or forgery. We deal with confidential information, bank account info, credit card numbers on a daily basis. I would not trust someone like that.

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[stevo]

It's not a double standard in any way. I'm not real convinced that you even understand what a double standard is.

Here, I'll try a simple analogy.

If you're a regular at a restaurant and the new waiter seems lazy and careless, and gives you terrible service, then he doesn't deserve a tip. He deserves to get stiffed. And you may not even want to try that waiter again the next few times you go. Now, does that mean he never deserves a tip again for the rest of his life? Of course not. Maybe over a few more visits you'll notice that he seems to be hustling around the place, working his butt off, doing a great job for other tables. You eventually might decide to give him another shot, and if he does a good job, you'll tip him accordingly.

According to the original post, this guy is like the waiter who gave terrible service, and it seems like he doesn't care about trying to hustle or become a better waiter. It's like he just wants to bitch and moan about not getting any tips. A guy like that deserves to keep going home empty-handed.

Then again, this particular guy might just forge huge tips onto every bill and swipe a box of chicken strips from the back when his shift over, so I guess he won't be empty-handed, after all.

I'm not even going to read your analogy, but I'll respond to the first sentence of your post. I know exactly what a double standard is, and being of the opinion that he deserves to not be able work AND that others deserve a second chance is a really good example of it. Spin away.

Stevo

[Nash B.]

People can change and generally deserve a second chance, but until they've changed and shown that they've changed, they don't deserve a second chance. Make sense?

[Pro88LX]

Not going to go into all of what else was said, but as hiring manager, I doubt I would even consider a person convicted of theft and / or forgery. We deal with confidential information, bank account info, credit card numbers on a daily basis. I would not trust someone like that.

Our company is the same way. Had to pass a strict background check and a credit check. All doors require a key card to get through, server room is basically a safe LOL (mortgage company with thousands of peoples personal info at any time.)

[jluv]

I'm not even going to read your analogy, but I'll respond to the first sentence of your post. I know exactly what a double standard is, and being of the opinion that he deserves to not be able work AND that others deserve a second chance is a really good example of it. Spin away.

Stevo

Dude, seriously? It's clear that you just skimmed through my posts and didn't apply any kind of reading comprehension. I don't know if it's lack of effort or lack of ability, but you are taking 2 plus 2 and somehow getting 3 as the answer.

[jluv]

People can change and generally deserve a second chance, but until they've changed and shown that they've changed, they don't deserve a second chance. Make sense?

Thing is, I never said the guy didn't deserve a second chance. I said he deserves to be in this shitty situation he has put himself in. He deserves to struggle to find a job. He deserves to be called a piece of shit. He deserves to have it tough for a while. He's gotta take his licks.

If he really wants to work, he can find a job busting his ass doing manual labor. If he wants to be respected, he can work hard and keep his nose clean for however long it takes. I do believe people can reform and become good citizens if they put in the time and effort. This guy hasn't put in shit so far (per the OP).

[stevo]

People can change and generally deserve a second chance, but until they've changed and shown that they've changed, they don't deserve a second chance. Make sense?

I agree with you, but that is not what he said.

Dude, seriously? It's clear that you just skimmed through my posts and didn't apply any kind of reading comprehension. I don't know if it's lack of effort or lack of ability, but you are taking 2 plus 2 and somehow getting 3 as the answer.

Yeah, spin it. I didn't skim your posts, I read all of them up to the point where you started making hypothetical analogies, of which really had no merit on the two statements of yours that I quoted. I'm sure you will reply again and attempt to make a witty retort though.

Stevo

[jluv]

I agree with you, but that is not what he said.



Yeah, spin it. I didn't skim your posts, I read all of them up to the point where you started making hypothetical analogies, of which really had no merit on the two statements of yours that I quoted. I'm sure you will reply again and attempt to make a witty retort though.

Stevo

At this point it's obvious you're just trolling. You cant possibly be that stupid. Good job.

[Cooter]

Only Ring gaskets and Hand tools. lol

Don't forget the bucket of pipe dope

[turbostang]

Jose - I think your friend is up against himself. He sounds like he's lacking motivation, and possibly wanting a 'hookup'. We've all seen it a million times, he probably started out with the attitude that he was going to 'turn his life around' and got a taste of the real world and realized that very few employers would give him a chance, and turned into what we are now speculating as 'lazy'.

I, personally, would have a hard time hiring someone who's been convicted of any kind of theft, for any line of work - it seems, to me, to be where a lot of bad shit starts. Addiction, more theft etc.


I have a good friend who's a convicted RSO (nothing sick, she was just not 'legal' and he was) and was on probation. He got in trouble twice while on probation -once, pulled over one night for tinted tail lights and the cop suspected him of DUI (he was on prescription anti-depressants). The other time was he joined a community rec center with me to work out - he voluntarily told his PO, who FLIPPED out because the rec center had a day care..we went to at 5:00AM (verified by badging in).. Long story short, this ultimately landed him back in jail for 4 years. He's a good guy, a victim of some bad decisions on his behalf, and now has a HUGE ding in his record - he took ANY job that came his way, and they were SHIT jobs, but he took them. When he gets out in May 2013, he'll be working in my shop, no questions asked....

I don't know where I was going with this other than some people REALLY try and get a shitty outcome, and some people dont try at all.