NYC cop aspiring to eat people..

[zachary]

Terrorist should be killed on the spot or captured for intelligence gathering and hung after a brief interrogation.

Even if the act itself has not been committed?

[ThreeFingerPete]

My point is this; the man has been arrested for a crime that he has not yet committed and will probable do time over it. The details of what that potential crime may be are completely meaningless. Once a government has a power that they claim they will only use in extreme circumstances they tend to abuse that power. Arresting and imprisoning a person for what they might do is a totalitarian governments wet dream and we will regret the day we allow our faultless leaders to grab that power.

How would you feel if the new nation wide policy was to arrest and imprison black male babies before they became criminals? Statistics show that a significant number of them will become felons during their life time so why not get them off the streets now before they have a chance to do harm?

You do understand that conspiracy to kidnap (which this is) and kidnapping are not the same, right? If you are planning a crime, using real people you are in fact committing a crime.

[svauto-erotic855]

Even if the act itself has not been committed?

I believe that terrorist are not entitled to the same constitutional protections that everyday citizen are. Kill them when and where they are found.

You do understand that conspiracy to kidnap (which this is) and kidnapping are not the same, right? If you are planning a crime, using real people you are in fact committing a crime.

There can not be a conspiracy with yourself. In TX a criminal conspiracy must include 5 or more people and can drop to 3 people during the course of the investigation plus there must also be an overt act.

You must have missed the part where I said that I believe that criminal charges of conspiracy are bullshit.

[zachary]

I believe that terrorist are not entitled to the same constitutional protections that everyday citizen are. Kill them when and where they are found.

just playing devils advocate here, you kinda avoided the question. any wack job who plans on killing people and has a wrote out plan and supplies, innocent until they kill someone? a national terrorist is the same thing(say colorado shooter)

You cant say they are guilty before the crime happens and then have a different opinion about something else.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I believe that terrorist are not entitled to the same constitutional protections that everyday citizen are. Kill them when and where they are found.



There can not be a conspiracy with yourself. In TX a criminal conspiracy must include 5 or more people and can drop to 3 people during the course of the investigation plus there must also be an overt act.

You must have missed the part where I said that I believe that criminal charges of conspiracy are bullshit.

This isn't in TX. I think if you're stupid enough to gather personal information and addresses through illegal channels and use them to plot crimes, then you should expect to get wrapped up.

[svauto-erotic855]

just playing devils advocate here, you kinda avoided the question. any wack job who plans on killing people and has a wrote out plan and supplies, innocent until they kill someone? a national terrorist is the same thing(say colorado shooter)

You cant say they are guilty before the crime happens and then have a different opinion about something else.

The Colorado shooter is not a terrorist; he is just nuts. And "Yes" I believe that some whack job can not be arrested for a crime that they have not committed yet. If the person is truly crazy there is a civil process for dealing with them that does not get the criminal courts involved.

An act of war against the USA is significantly different then a crime within our borders that falls under the jurisdiction of our courts. A foreign national engaged in war declared or otherwise with the USA is not entitled to the protections given to citizens of the USA and can be dealt with as the powers that be feel best protects the USA.

This isn't in TX. I think if you're stupid enough to gather personal information and addresses through illegal channels and use them to plot crimes, then you should expect to get wrapped up.

If the information was obtained illegally then charge the offender with that.

I was using TX law to show what a definition of conspiracy can be. I am not familiar with the laws in NY but in general claiming a conspiracy consisting of one person is completely preposterous.

[racrguy]

You went full retard, never go full retard.

[svauto-erotic855]

You went full retard, never go full retard.

I will use myself as an example then. I own hundreds of guns and if I had to guess I'd say close to a million rounds of ammunition. I don't like what our Federal government has become and I am not shy about saying so. If the government had the power to lock up people who they think may commit a crime before they commit the crime what do you think Nancy Pelosi would do to me if I was brought to her attention?

[Taylor]

I will use myself as an example then. I own hundreds of guns and if I had to guess I'd say close to a million rounds of ammunition. I don't like what our Federal government has become and I am not shy about saying so. If the government had the power to lock up people who they think may commit a crime before they commit the crime what do you think Nancy Pelosi would do to me if I was brought to her attention?

So, you owning guns = planning a detailed murder/cannibalism in detail?

Lmfao. I do believe you went full retard.

[svauto-erotic855]

The details of what crime may be committed are meaningless once the government has the power to lock you up for something that you haven't done yet. Some militant lesbians could come into power and lock up all men for possession of a rape tool (a penis); it could even be a capital crime.

[racrguy]

I will use myself as an example then. I own hundreds of guns and if I had to guess I'd say close to a million rounds of ammunition. I don't like what our Federal government has become and I am not shy about saying so. If the government had the power to lock up people who they think may commit a crime before they commit the crime what do you think Nancy Pelosi would do to me if I was brought to her attention?

You would be labeled a domestic terrorist. And by your words, not subject to constitutional protections.

[svauto-erotic855]

You would be labeled a domestic terrorist. And by your words, not subject to constitutional protections.

She wouldn't label me anything. I would simply be arrested and executed for the mass murder I had yet to commit.

[racrguy]

Sooooo stoopied

[svauto-erotic855]

Sooooo stoopied

Am I to take it that you agree with the new government policy of convecting defendants of crimes that they have yet to commit? Be careful when you support such policy's because you could be next.

[kingjason]

I was using TX law to show what a definition of conspiracy can be. I am not familiar with the laws in NY but in general claiming a conspiracy consisting of one person is completely preposterous.

Did you completely miss this little jewel?

The complaint alleges that in February, Valle negotiated to kidnap another woman — Victim 2 — for someone else, writing, "$5,000 and she's all yours."
He told the buyer he was aspiring to be a professional kidnapper, authorities said.

"I think I would rather not get involved in the rape," according to the complaint. "You paid for her. She is all yours, and I don't want to be tempted the next time I abduct a girl."

It says he added: "I will really get off on knocking her out, tying up her hands and bare feet and gagging her. Then she will be stuffed into a large piece of luggage and wheeled out to my van."

Cellphone data revealed that Valle made calls on the block where the woman lives, the complaint says. An FBI agent interviewed the woman, who told them that she didn't know him well and was never in her home.
Valle had been assigned to a Manhattan precinct before his suspension on Wednesday.