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[bigmuskie]

ive seen the pam truck and heard it idling. its very quiet. the only problem i see is the huge cng tanks. switch those for lng system mounted where the diesel tanks are and it would look alot better not to mention hold alot more fuel. chicken before the egg though before ngv's can become a reality the infrastructure must be built. once this happens you will begin to see the switch.

Funny you would say that. When they first started showing up at my job, we were laughing at first thinking 'why would they need a headache rack with storage', and then one parked next to us and it was ooohhs and ahhhs. The driver said they don't pull all that great, but I'm guessing those business class Freightliners only have a 350 hp motor which don't pull no matter what fuel they're burning. At the same time though, local trucks don't need a 650 hp Cummins either. As you had stated, once the infrastructure is there, I'd like to see most local fleet trucks converted to run NG. Hell the noise level alone would be worth it.

[Strychnine]

PAM trucking have daycab trucks using NG and from about 15 to 20ft. away you can barely hear them ideling.

For the the 2007 ISL and ISL-G engines (9 liter) specifically the spark ignited gas version is 5.5 dB quieter at peak tq/load and 9.9 dB quieter at idle/no load.

[bigmuskie]

For the the 2007 ISL and ISL-G engines (9 liter) specifically the spark ignited gas version is 5.5 dB quieter at peak tq/load and 9.9 dB quieter at idle/no load.

Do you know what the dB level is on a ISL engine at idle? I like the fact that frac sites are switching to NG powered diesels. Mainly for fuel consumption I'm sure, but the workers at the site and its neighbors would greatly benefit from lower noise levels.

And to add to your original post. I'd quote the link, but I don't know how. Sorry.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2012/09/30/14159669-next-cold-war-gas-drilling-boom-rattles-russia

[Captain Crawfish]

Funny you would say that. When they first started showing up at my job, we were laughing at first thinking 'why would they need a headache rack with storage', and then one parked next to us and it was ooohhs and ahhhs. The driver said they don't pull all that great, but I'm guessing those business class Freightliners only have a 350 hp motor which don't pull no matter what fuel they're burning. At the same time though, local trucks don't need a 650 hp Cummins either. As you had stated, once the infrastructure is there, I'd like to see most local fleet trucks converted to run NG. Hell the noise level alone would be worth it.

I have permanent hearing damage (constant ringing) I have driven for about 8 yrs and i think over time it has messed up my hearing or maybe it was the drone masters on my cobra.... Im all for a quieter engine and if it reduces smog levels in the city thats a good thing also. I know the folks in the high rise buildings would appreciate it. I want to convert my silverado but Im reading its about 10K through a shop. The govt doesnt allow you to just buy a kit and install it without facing fines. It would be nice to run cng in low load areas such as traffic around town etc. GM Ford and chrysler will be offering some cng vehicles and some infrastructure is being put into place at some truck stops across the country. I think in 2-3 yrs we will see a few more ngv's on the roads. I wonder if there could ever be an aftermarket for the these vehicles?

[Trip McNeely]

Most of my customers up here already have their fleets bi-fuel converted. Being that they are operators, they are setting up taps straight off of one of their producing wells. It's coming. But it's a chicken and egg thing. What comes first.

[Strychnine]

Do you know what the dB level is on a ISL engine at idle?

These are Cummins Westport test results. Due to the logarithmic dB scale this graph is basically saying that one one diesel engine idling is louder than ten natural gas engines idling together.

And to add to your original post. I'd quote the link, but I don't know how. Sorry.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2012/0...rattles-russia

That's awesome.

[Trip McNeely]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/30/4948550/production-begins-for-ram-2500.html#storylink=cpy

Production begins for Ram 2500 Compressed Natural Gas Truck; Availability expanded to retail customers
By Chrysler Group LLC
Published: Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2012 - 8:09 am

AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Oct. 30, 2012 -- /PRNewswire/ -- The first Ram 2500 Compressed Natural Gas pickup trucks have begun rolling off the line at Chrysler Group's Saltillo Truck Assembly Plant today.

The start of Ram CNG production is timed perfectly to support the Company's announcement that the formerly fleet-only vehicle will now be available to retail customers.

"We felt there was a strong likelihood that customer demand would allow us to offer the Ram 2500 CNG to retail as well as fleet buyers," said Fred Diaz, President and CEO, Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC. "From the moment we unveiled the Ram CNG, dealers – particularly those near CNG refueling infrastructure -- strongly encouraged us to bring CNG to their stores. We're pleased that today Ram can deliver on that demand."

The 2012 Ram 2500 CNG is the only OEM-built compressed natural gas-powered pickup truck in North America.

The Ram 2500 CNG is actually a bi-fuel vehicle that uses compressed natural gas as its primary fuel source, but automatically switches to gasoline when the CNG tanks are emptied. In use, the Ram CNG transitions from one fuel to the other with little discernible difference in operation or capability.

CNG-powered trucks offer cost and emissions benefits, using an abundant, domestically sourced fuel, which reduces America's dependence on foreign oil. CNG lessens the environmental impact of greenhouse gas and reduces smog-producing pollutants up to 90 percent.

In vehicles, CNG achieves nearly identical mileage figures as unleaded regular gasoline – with a retail cost more than 30 percent lower than the average price of a gallon of gasoline.

SOURCE Chrysler Group LLC

[Strychnine]

Yale, I'm too lazy to send on my phone. Here's a better look at the rig count (higher level view than just last month to this month). This is accurate as of four days ago (10/26/2012)

[Captain Crawfish]

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/30/494...#storylink=cpy

I knew those were coming awhile back. Ford also has one on there f-250's and chevrolet has a silverado bi fuel also rolling out. So how can we get a turbocharger on one of those without tuliping valves? WPT Canada was totally destroyed today on lower guidance -14% I assume wprt on the nasdaq will follow.

[Trip McNeely]

I knew those were coming awhile back. Ford also has one on there f-250's and chevrolet has a silverado bi fuel also rolling out. So how can we get a turbocharger on one of those without tuliping valves? WPT Canada was totally destroyed today on lower guidance -14% I assume wprt on the nasdaq will follow.

All of those are their gasoline models, no diesel.

As far as I know, only Chevy and Dodge have factory built CNG models, Fords is still a retrofit.

[Strychnine]

I knew those were coming awhile back. Ford also has one on there f-250's and chevrolet has a silverado bi fuel also rolling out. So how can we get a turbocharger on one of those without tuliping valves? WPT Canada was totally destroyed today on lower guidance -14% I assume wprt on the nasdaq will follow.

Why are GM and Ford having valve troubles?

With hardened valves / seats it is completely possible to turbocharge a spark ignited NG engine and not have huge issues with valve recession.

[Andy@PrimeTuning]

The company I've been working with has been developing Turbine driven Frac Pumps for awhile now (More Power, Lighter, Cleaner Burning) and they have successfully ran them on Natural Gas as well and plan to convert them all to Natural Gas soon. I'm sure they have to figure out some way to tap into the well and supply all the different engines efficiently first though.

I've heard through the grapevine that it will reduce our per hour running costs by 70-80%

down to under 100$ per hour.

Who knows though

[Sean88gt]

Why are GM and Ford having valve troubles?

With hardened valves / seats it is completely possible to turbocharge a spark ignited NG engine and not have huge issues with valve recession.

Did I ever send you the pics of the ISL-G that burned through the valve STEMS? CRM had been sitting on it for a year, Summit county was pissed, and CRM could not figure out why it was burning as hot as it was. They never changed the calibration, but something having to do with the 9000' elevations were sending things haywire. It was literally cutting the stems like a torch, both intake and exhaust.

[Captain Crawfish]

Why are GM and Ford having valve troubles?

With hardened valves / seats it is completely possible to turbocharge a spark ignited NG engine and not have huge issues with valve recession.

Im sure the valves and seat materials have been changed for the applications I doubt thats a problem.

[no4njnk]

The company I've been working with has been developing Turbine driven Frac Pumps for awhile now (More Power, Lighter, Cleaner Burning) and they have successfully ran them on Natural Gas as well and plan to convert them all to Natural Gas soon. I'm sure they have to figure out some way to tap into the well and supply all the different engines efficiently first though.

Is that Greenfield Energy? I have heard of them but never seen any on site. If they can ever get those running efficiently that would be great as you can get 2 pumps on one trailer.