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  • Let's Talk No Compete Agreements

    I've always heard they don't hold up in the State of Texas, but it can be costly to get to the point of a judge ruling on it.

    Here's a situation. Company hires a new employee four months ago. They asked him to sign a no compete last week. It was never mentioned in the hiring process. He had 3 interviews, nobody said a word. About a month after he starts, a highly valued employee left the company to go to a competitor (not even in a sales position). Company gets pissed. New policy requires no compete to be signed. Admin Asst says this is due to two recent employees that left (true), and that the Exec staff is trying to protect the company, which I can understand. The problem is the timeline. The second person that left, was still there when they hired him. So the new policy wasn't a policy until after he was hired. The other issue is the terms of the no compete. 2 years, and the way it's written, he basically would have to completely leave his industry for that 2 year period. It also states for any reason. he could get fired, and be bound to the no compete. In my industry, these are becoming more common. But they are typically 6 months to a year, and very specific. If you leave on your own terms, and go to a direct competitor, or they involve certain accounts. I have yet to see one that involves getting fired. It is always if you choose to leave on your own. But you could take a factory position, or another position in the distribution channel that is not direct competition.


    I don't think he should sign it. For many reasons. i try to never say never, but the only way I can see myself signing one, is if i built the business and sold it, with an agreement to work for the company for a predetermined amount of time after the completion of the sale. I'd pack my shit and tell them to fuck themselves. But this isn't me. He doesn't have the leverage I do, as it's a new job, but more of a career. By signing it, he's really fucking himself if he wanted to stay in this field.



    Thoughts? Opinions?
    Originally posted by BradM
    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
    Originally posted by Leah
    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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    Obviously, they can fire him for any reason, including not signing it. So he wants to approach this with caution. Had he known about it up front, that's one thing, and would have HEAVILY influenced his compensation negotiations, and also whether or not he would have accepted the offer.
    Originally posted by BradM
    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
    Originally posted by Leah
    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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    • #3
      fuck bitches, make money


      If he is fired for not signing it, he needs to lawyer up. IMO

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      • #4
        I have to sign one every year, and it is complete BS. Several times the company has tried to persue it when an employee leaves for a competitor, but it generally goes nowhere.

        Mine is invalid even when I sign it, the limitations are based on miles, but there isnt a direct competitor within that limit.
        "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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        • #5
          A buddy of mine signed one once and it came back to bite him in the ass. Of course it probably had to do with him having a big mouth and bragging alot in his industry. He went to work for a competitor and the place he signed the non compete with sued him in court. When it went to court they ended up settling for him not being able to do business with certain companys for x amount of time. I think if he would have kept his mouth shut nothing would have come about it. Even he admitted to this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mstng86 View Post


            If he is fired for not signing it, he needs to lawyer up. IMO
            Won't do any good. It's not discrimination, or regulation violation. The State won't do anything. Hopefully Gear Jammer can provide more insight, but I don't think he has anything to do with employment laws.
            Originally posted by BradM
            But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
            Originally posted by Leah
            In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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            • #7
              I know they don't stick in California. Chooooo$$$$$$$$$$ choooo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
              Originally posted by davbrucas
              I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

              Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

              You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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              • #8
                oh and as I understand it, Texas is a right-to-work state, and they cant keep him from working.

                Id be more worried about the previous company contacting my new employer and threatening legal action bassed on it. I did see a vendor get ruffled feathers after hiring someone I worked with and getting a call from the legal dept. They canned him swiftly.
                "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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                • #9
                  I think i would consult a lawyer. No way in hell at my age or salary, i could survive two years with out being in this industry

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                  • #10
                    Surely more of you have experience with no compete agreements, or you're all dirty liars and not the DFWM Ballers you claim to be....
                    Originally posted by BradM
                    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                    Originally posted by Leah
                    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                    • #11
                      In the industry I'm in (healthcare staffing), most companies makes you sign a non-compete, but they don't seem to hold up. A lot of people bounce around from one company to another (because there are so many based in this area). The companies will threaten the employees that left, but it's just an empty threat. In fact, it's pretty common for someone to leave, get threatened, blow it off, work for a couple competitors, and then end up coming back to the same place they started. So they'll threaten you now, and then gladly hire you back months later.

                      From my understanding, the only thing they can really get your ass for is if they can prove that you contacted the same clients you gained from the prior place. Another big thing they worry about is you going to the next company, and calling all of your old coworkers and recruiting them to come with you. But both of those happen all the time, too, and it seems like it's really tough to stop.

                      And yes, the original company will even try to make waves by calling the new company directly and bitching, but in this industry, it doesn't lead to anyone getting canned. People with a proven track record doing this are valuable, and the companies seem to take a "haha, they're ours now, fuck off" attitude.

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                      • #12
                        I'd sign it to keep the peace, because it won't stick here in Texas. You can't keep a man from making a living in a "right to work" state, but they could damn sure fire him for not signing it (or any other reason) when it comes down to it.

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                        • #13
                          We had a sales guy come over from a competitor. I guess he signed a NC over there and forgot about it?

                          Anyway, one day about 6 months later he was gone.

                          Turns out his old employer found out where he went, called here, and basically said, "that guy misreprsented himself" (or something to that effect). Rather than drag it out, fight it, or whatever else he was let go to save everyone the trouble.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
                            We had a sales guy come over from a competitor. I guess he signed a NC over there and forgot about it?

                            Anyway, one day about 6 months later he was gone.

                            Turns out his old employer found out where he went, called here, and basically said, "that guy misreprsented himself" (or something to that effect). Rather than drag it out, fight it, or whatever else he was let go to save everyone the trouble.
                            opening???
                            "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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                            • #15
                              Really only company IP(Intellectual property) could hold up in a case in Texas, and other
                              states, and it can still be quite difficult and expensive to prove.
                              Especially if the employee is "smart" about how things are done.

                              You can sign the document, but a non-compete agreement will not hold up in Texas to
                              prevent you from working in an entire industry, which you have career history in.

                              But the IP is solid as being something that can get you dragged into a viable case.
                              IP is also company partners and clients. If you reach out to try to steal customers from
                              the former employer, especially with similar products and services, then you have exposure
                              to the non-compete agreement and it's easier to get you dinged in a case.
                              But it's still quite expensive to take this to court.

                              You could always consult a lawyer, show the agreement and get advice.
                              I was in a case years ago brought by a former employer, where they cited me for
                              violating company rules in the the employee handbook. They had 3 members of a law firm
                              and my former manager working to jam me up. I was able shoot holes in their evidence
                              and to cast reasonable doubt on each of their claims.
                              I defended myself and received a judgement in my favor.
                              There was monetary compensation involved.
                              Jay Johnson
                              Car hauler for hire

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