Naked unarmed college student murdered by police

[jewozzy]

Google:

This is the first one, there've been several.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

thats fucked up and shouldnt happen...

[ceyko]

Google:

This is the first one, there've been several.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Here's another:

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

Would you like more?

FF, I gotta call you out a little on this one. Aren't you the same one that bitches that police do not "Protect and Serve?" Why change your stance?

[BradM]

Google:

This is the first one, there've been several.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Here's another:

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

Would you like more?

How do you not have a problem with that when you gave all for your country?

[ThreeFingerPete]

exactly what i quoted.

That's more or less what happened.

Again as a police officer, you better get your ass out there, not be a pussy that calls the police.

You can call for backup, you know... like every other time that cops call for assistance when they may be entering a situation that requires it.

[Forever_frost]

How do you not have a problem with that when you gave all for your country?

You're under the impression, after all of my posts, I don't have a problem with this?

[helosailor]

I have no argument for or against the justification of the shooting. I also have no idea how the average potency of the average currently available LSD relates to the stuff that was out in the 60's.
I did however see a guy a few years ago, who had taken one hit of blotter, rip a ceiling fan (spinning on "high") completely out out of the ceiling "because it was bugging him, and he'd had enough of it's shit". An hour or so later, he was in the street, challenging passing cars to an arm wrestling contest. When this failed to produce the desired results, he began to accost cars parked at the curb. I didn't stick around much longer to see any other antics. He was about 5'10" and weighed maybe 160. I'm not aware of if, at any point, he became sans apparel.

[BradM]

That's more or less what happened.

You can call for backup, you know... like every other time that cops call for assistance when they may be entering a situation that requires it.

Dude, you're usually right, you're way wrong on this. I'd like to sit down and discuss it with you some day.

[jewozzy]

That's more or less what happened.

You can call for backup, you know... like every other time that cops call for assistance when they may be entering a situation that requires it.

lets go with less... and what was stopping this guy from entering the police station? are you going to let someone bang on your door early in the morning and not figure out whats going on? id assume and hope you'd go with your gun and if you are charged i would hope you defend yourself with what you feel is needed.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I have no argument for or against the justification of the shooting. I also have no idea how the average potency of the average currently available LSD relates to the stuff that was out in the 60's.
I did however see a guy a few years ago, who had taken one hit of blotter, rip a ceiling fan (spinning on "high") completely out out of the ceiling "because it was bugging him, and he'd had enough of it's shit". An hour or so later, he was in the street, challenging passing cars to an arm wrestling contest. When this failed to produce the desired results, he began to accost cars parked at the curb. I didn't stick around much longer to see any other antics. He was about 5'10" and weighed maybe 160. I'm not aware of if, at any point, he became sans apparel.

Did he crush any cars like an empty soda can? Since apparently LSD has been known to give people super-human strength.

[Forever_frost]

FF, I gotta call you out a little on this one. Aren't you the same one that bitches that police do not "Protect and Serve?" Why change your stance?

Police do NOT protect or serve. They are under no obligation to do so either. “In the landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “The US Supreme Court declared that the constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from critical harm.”

They are revenue generators, and something shiny to look at. With current laws, they have too much power, not enough regulation and are almost impossible to prosecute. And when you do try, they claim qualified immunity or get a few days off for gunning down innocents in their own home.

I'm very much against this. And anyone who do back cops because...they're cops, read up. They dont' have to protect you and many won't. They'd rather sit in their cars and play on their phones than answer a call from someone barricaded in a room with someone cutting through their door with an axe.

[Forever_frost]

I have no argument for or against the justification of the shooting. I also have no idea how the average potency of the average currently available LSD relates to the stuff that was out in the 60's.
I did however see a guy a few years ago, who had taken one hit of blotter, rip a ceiling fan (spinning on "high") completely out out of the ceiling "because it was bugging him, and he'd had enough of it's shit". An hour or so later, he was in the street, challenging passing cars to an arm wrestling contest. When this failed to produce the desired results, he began to accost cars parked at the curb. I didn't stick around much longer to see any other antics. He was about 5'10" and weighed maybe 160. I'm not aware of if, at any point, he became sans apparel.

On Percocet, in New Zealand, I became convinced I was the Hulk and "Hulk Smash!" I tried to flip over a loaded bus and developed a hernia

[jewozzy]

Police do NOT protect or serve. They are under no obligation to do so either. “In the landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “The US Supreme Court declared that the constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from critical harm.”

They are revenue generators, and something shiny to look at. With current laws, they have too much power, not enough regulation and are almost impossible to prosecute. And when you do try, they claim qualified immunity or get a few days off for gunning down innocents in their own home.

I'm very much against this. And anyone who do back cops because...they're cops, read up. They dont' have to protect you and many won't. They'd rather sit in their cars and play on their phones than answer a call from someone barricaded in a room with someone cutting through their door with an axe.

very very few are what you just described...

[ThreeFingerPete]

Dude, you're usually right, you're way wrong on this. I'd like to sit down and discuss it with you some day.

Let me put it in really simple terms. I don't think that police should kill unarmed people, who have are not actively in the middle of committing a violent felony. If a cop can't go "hands on" and attempt to control a single, solitary person, then that cop shouldn't be a cop.

lets go with less... and what was stopping this guy from entering the police station? are you going to let someone bang on your door early in the morning and not figure out whats going on? id assume and hope you'd go with your gun and if you are charged i would hope you defend yourself with what you feel is needed.

Umm.. a door that he was "banging on". Which was holding up well apparently since he didn't knock it down.

If you think I'm going to make the tactically stupid error of leaving a safe environment to wander out into the dark where there is one or more unknown people banging on the door, you're high.

[Forever_frost]

very very few are what you just described...

Yet I can find report, video and news report over and over, daily, of exactly this. If it's very few, why do they not police themselves? Why are they not cut from the force immediately and blacklisted? Why are they not held to the same standards for breaking the laws that citizens are?

Why is it they can kill unarmed citizens, sometimes in their own homes, and walk away from it, never seeing prison? Why is it they can kill an animal in it's own yard and nothing is done? Why can they use a chainsaw to cut through a door to the wrong house and harass the owner when that owner has done nothing and nothing negative happens to the officer?

If it's very, very few, why is it so prevalent?

[Forever_frost]

Let me put it in really simple terms. I don't think that police should kill unarmed people, who have are not actively in the middle of committing a violent felony. If a cop can't go "hands on" and attempt to control a single, solitary person, then that cop shouldn't be a cop.


Umm.. a door that he was "banging on". Which was holding up well apparently since he didn't knock it down.

If you think I'm going to make the tactically stupid error of leaving a safe environment to wander out into the dark where there is one or more unknown people banging on the door, you're high.

Yeah, see that's my thought. Someone's outside banging on the door? I'm not opening that door. If he was scared by this lone individual unarmed and unclothed (he wasnt' hiding any weapons on him) and his first response was getting his gun on, he needs to face prosecution for killing an unarmed man.