I'm interested to see what kind of responses this one gets.

[BradM]

<--- Knows every word to call me maybe. Never had vagina.

fify

[racrguy]

What happened to "who gives a fuck?"

[jasone]

let your freak flag fly.



I bet it's pretty comfortable.

[Sean88gt]

What happened to "who gives a fuck?"

Progressives had to go all in with political correctness.

[red95gts]

That is laughable. I feel certain this isn't you.


"No, Junior. You're not allowed to wear that. You aren't Spiderman, and this isn't Halloween!"

As for the rest, try again. I never said wearing dresses would "turn" someone gay. I merely posed a hypothetical of "if he ended up being gay." Also, where did I say verbatim, or even imply that simply telling a boy to dress like a boy is abusive? It seems there is a recurring theme of reading comprehension failing several people. As a matter of fact, I stated quite the opposite:


So I'm saying that telling the kid no is verbal abuse, but yet I also stated that we don't tell kids "no" enough?
Yep, it's still you. Try to work on your reading comprehension, and come back. What I DID say was in response to you calling a 5-year old kid a "freak." I posted the two most realistic scenarios. The first being the kid "wearing a dress," which is what you were calling him a freak for. It is obvious that we're not talking about your son. You then tried to apply transitive properties to when you told your son "no" about a Spiderman costume, and apply my harsh scenario to that instance. It doesn't work that way. Again, if you would read the thread, I said we don't tell kids "no" enough. But I guess you can try to twist it around...Again, had you not called the kid a "freak," "the next Hitler," and surmised he won't be a "productive member of society," the "angry father" bit wouldn't have even been presented. However, those kind of reactions are all too common in fathers that exhibit such behavior.
Again, show me where I stated that. Where did I say that saying boys don't wear dresses is the same as physical and verbal abuse? See: above. What I DID say is based in FACT from actual people that grew up this way with fathers who beat their chests and told them to be more like a man (and more often than not leads to abuse or downright abandonment). You know, the kind of parent that would call a 5-year old a "freak." That part was only brought up because of the idiotic comments from the peanut gallery. It isn't hard to see the ridiculous fear/anger boil up in these comments that are much aligned with someone who WOULD verbally abuse their son for being different.

My point was pretty fucking simple, but you've obviously over-thought this, which is a feat in itself for you.

This kids' peers are not going to accept his deviant behavior like an open-minded adult might. Especially in rural Germany - had they stayed in Berlin, I don't think it would be as big of a deal. Rural Germany is a lot like rural America - very conservative and traditional. Everyone knows everyone else and their business.

Even if (and most likely when) he outgrows this and starts dressing like a boy, he'll still be known as the boy that wore a dress. Kids are ruthless - a kid in my daughter's class shit his pants on the first day of second grade. To this day, he's known by a variety of shit-related nicknames. They're freshman in HS now. So how again is the fathers acceptance of this helping his kid long-term?

My point about the Spiderman costume was also painfully simple but it flew over your head apparently: Sometimes 5 year olds don't get to make the decision.

The Hitler reference was tongue-in-cheek. If I recall, Hitler had a rough childhood filled with ridicule from other kids. Do I honestly think this kid will be the next Hitler because he puts a dress on? Of course not.

If the kid and his dad lived together on a deserted island, it wouldn't matter one bit what he wears. But ultimately he has to live in society and deal with society's treatment if his behavior. I believe it's my job as a parent to help my kids become productive members of that society by adhering to the basic social norms.

Judging by your posts, I get the feeling you don't have any kids. If that's the case, your opinion on this subject is about worthless as far as I'm concerned.

[hotrod66stang]

My point was pretty fucking simple, but you've obviously over-thought this, which is a feat in itself for you.

This kids' peers are not going to accept his deviant behavior like an open-minded adult might. Especially in rural Germany - had they stayed in Berlin, I don't think it would be as big of a deal. Rural Germany is a lot like rural America - very conservative and traditional. Everyone knows everyone else and their business.

Even if (and most likely when) he outgrows this and starts dressing like a boy, he'll still be known as the boy that wore a dress. Kids are ruthless - a kid in my daughter's class shit his pants on the first day of second grade. To this day, he's known by a variety of shit-related nicknames. They're freshman in HS now. So how again is the fathers acceptance of this helping his kid long-term?

My point about the Spiderman costume was also painfully simple but it flew over your head apparently: Sometimes 5 year olds don't get to make the decision.

The Hitler reference was tongue-in-cheek. If I recall, Hitler had a rough childhood filled with ridicule from other kids. Do I honestly think this kid will be the next Hitler because he puts a dress on? Of course not.

If the kid and his dad lived together on a deserted island, it wouldn't matter one bit what he wears. But ultimately he has to live in society and deal with society's treatment if his behavior. I believe it's my job as a parent to help my kids become productive members of that society by adhering to the basic social norms.

Judging by your posts, I get the feeling you don't have any kids. If that's the case, your opinion on this subject is about worthless as far as I'm concerned.

I like how you try to insult my intelligence by stating that I've overthought something, which is a feat by itself, as if you know me. If anything, I'd rather overthink a subject than underthink it and post some moronic shit like a 5-year old being the next Hitler, calling him a "freak," assuming you know his future, etc., then recanting and saying it was just tongue-in-cheek. I understand all of your other points, they're all valid, and I actually agree with you for the most part on the other points. Like I stated previously, the things that really jumped off the page were your "other" comments and the fact that Steve chimed in with some bullshit assessment of the situation from some information he magically knows, even though no one else does.

Again, there's a talking point when you mention "basic social norms." What exactly are the basic social norms? How do you define that? What are the social norms that are okay to break? Tattoos? Dyed hair? Being gay? Had I gotten a real response from these questions earlier, you would have realized that the social norms that aren't okay to break are totally subjective to each person due to their values. With that in mind, my question goes out to anyone who would get their feathers fluffed up about this: Who gives a fuck? Live your lives, teach your children the social norms you believe in (based on your values), but also teach them to not judge others and it would eliminate a portion of the problem. If you truly believe the father is to blame, I would also say those "rural" folks bear some of the blame for raising their kids to be so judgmental. Again, this is a kid, not an adult that's begging for attention.

Judging by YOUR posts, you would use the fact that I don't have children to dismiss the fact that you've brought nothing to this discussion other than calling a little kid names.

[JP135]

Part of this guy's job as a parent is to teach his kid what is and isn't appropriate. Maybe he feels that wearing a dress is ok, but the rest of society probably won't. And his job as a parent is to raise a productive member of that society. Not some freak who runs around in women's clothing.

I have a 5-y/o son as well and he would love to wear last Halloween's Spiderman costume to school. As his Dad, I tell him "no" and send him back upstairs to put regular clothes on. It's just part of the parenting gig.

Bingo. Well said.

[CJ]

I understand the idea behind it. But I get the feeling that the father and others with this mindset don't consider that the average 'conformist' person just better understands the consequences. By and large parents that exhibit this kind of attention whoring are trying to use their children as an instrument for self aggrandizing.

[mikeb]

I'd guess that the kid is transgender (transgender = not gay).

Roughing him up/toughening him up doesn't work with TG kids, and will leave life long scars. The suicide rate is sky high among that group of kids.

[CJ]

I'd guess that the kid is transgender (transgender = not gay).

Roughing him up/toughening him up doesn't work with TG kids, and will leave life long scars. The suicide rate is sky high among that group of kids.

if you're transgender you can be gay.

[mikeb]

if you're transgender you can be gay.

True - I worded that poorly. What i was trying to say is that transgender is not the same as gay. There were some earlier posts talking about turning kids gay and i don't think being gay applies in this case.

I think that the dad is pretty astute to realize that he has a possibly non gender conforming son and he's accepting it and working with it instead of rejecting his son. Lots of non gender conforming kids get rejected and it leads to a sky high suicide rate among those kids (google "the trevor project").

Just some food for thought - what would you do if you had a non gender conforming kid?

[CJ]

True - I worded that poorly. What i was trying to say is that transgender is not the same as gay. There were some earlier posts talking about turning kids gay and i don't think being gay applies in this case.

I think that the dad is pretty astute to realize that he has a possibly non gender conforming son and he's accepting it and working with it instead of rejecting his son. Lots of non gender conforming kids get rejected and it leads to a sky high suicide rate among those kids (google "the trevor project").

Just some food for thought - what would you do if you had a non gender conforming kid?

Beat the man into him.

[Veight7]

True - I worded that poorly. What i was trying to say is that transgender is not the same as gay. There were some earlier posts talking about turning kids gay and i don't think being gay applies in this case.

I think that the dad is pretty astute to realize that he has a possibly non gender conforming son and he's accepting it and working with it instead of rejecting his son. Lots of non gender conforming kids get rejected and it leads to a sky high suicide rate among those kids (google "the trevor project").

Just some food for thought - what would you do if you had a non gender conforming kid?

beat the shit out of him till he stopped being a vagina.

[SS Junk]

Just some food for thought - what would you do if you had a non gender conforming kid?

My house my rules. They don't want to follow them then go be gay elsewhere.

[95ragtop]

The bullshit that makes International news blows my mind. But fuck it I'll play along. Kid and dad wear a dress, yes it's extremely faggoty but who the fuck cares? What I question is where do you draw the line? I don't have kids but if I have a son and he wants his room to be pink, tough shit because it's my house, not happening. What if the kid wants to wear a chick's 2 piece bikini to the beach, have fun with that dad.