I'm interested to see what kind of responses this one gets.

[hotrod66stang]

Bryan what the fuck you doing tonight?

I'm waiting for Steve to come over. I've got the tires waiting.

*edit* AND I'm imagining Eric sitting there, hitting refresh, laughing his ass off.

[red95gts]

Don't be such an idiot. You're so fucking clairvoyant that you know this kid won't grow out of this fad/phase, and that's he's a FREAK that will never be a productive member of society. Jesus tittyfucking Christ. I'd say this guy is a much better father than you are. Let's just assume for a second that this kid ends up being gay. What do you think is going to fuck him up worse and make him less likely to be a productive member of society; A) letting him wear skirts and dresses, B) The father belittling him, verbally abusing him, probably physically abusing him, and making him feel like shit and a failure, and not loved by the one motherfucker that's supposed to love him unconditionally. Please tell me, super dad!

First off, fuck you. I'm a better father than you could ever dream of being.

So wearing a dress makes the kid "turn" gay? Telling a 5 y/o BOY to dress like a BOY is now "verbally and physically abuse" and makes the kid feel like "shit and a failure"? Are you fucking kidding me?

Seems obvious who the idiot is here.

[Unicorn Jeff]

First off, fuck you. I'm a better father than you could ever dream of being.

So wearing a dress makes the kid "turn" gay? Telling a 5 y/o BOY to dress like a BOY is now "verbally and physically abuse" and makes the kid feel like "shit and a failure"? Are you fucking kidding me?

Seems obvious who the idiot is here.

Jewmad

[Jewmadbro?]

Jewmad

Bro

[Unicorn Jeff]

Bro

I was actually giggling at myself thinking that would be funny if Mr Ninja Turtle shirt posts after that.

[downshift_me]

Well, the responses were more entertaining than the actual story.

[TX_92_Notch]

Well, the responses were more entertaining than the actual story.

Welcome to stangs!

I do think it's funny that hotrodd66stang thinks that someone telling their son "boys don't wear dresses" is the same thing as severe physical and verbal abuse. No one said they were going to give their kid lashings and beat him with a cane.

hotrodd66stang - ever heard the term "this hurts me more than it hurts you". Being a parent doesn't mean that you fully, wholeheartedly support everything your child decides to do. Since you like to jump to irrational conclusions based on simple replies from other people, I'll feed you some of your irrational preaching. What if your kid came home with a chainsaw and said "I think I'll go dismember some of the neighborhood kids tonight and maybe fuck a few goats when I'm done". Are you gonna send him on his way because you don't want to tell him that's not acceptable behavior? Or are you doing to "verbally abuse" him by saying no?

[1995RedGT]

Welcome to stangs!

I do think it's funny that hotrodd66stang thinks that someone telling their son "boys don't wear dresses" is the same thing as severe physical and verbal abuse. No one said they were going to give their kid lashings and beat him with a cane.

hotrodd66stang - ever heard the term "this hurts me more than it hurts you". Being a parent doesn't mean that you fully, wholeheartedly support everything your child decides to do. Since you like to jump to irrational conclusions based on simple replies from other people, I'll feed you some of your irrational preaching. What if your kid came home with a chainsaw and said "I think I'll go dismember some of the neighborhood kids tonight and maybe fuck a few goats when I'm done". Are you gonna send him on his way because you don't want to tell him that's not acceptable behavior? Or are you doing to "verbally abuse" him by saying no?

no comment on the outlandish shit stevo said? Only about hotrod? why is that? At least look at both idiotic statements and comment on both.

They both took extreme sides on the story. in the end its a news story, for anyone to look at it and decide its the absolute truth is plain dumb.

[krazy kris]

maybe they need to move to Scotland

[01-GATOR]

You can tell by the responses who would let their 5 year old son wear a dress.

[mstng86]

Am I the only father that would have told the kid he can't wear a dress and then made damn sure I burned every possible dress he could wear in the house?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My wife listens to shitty POP music while in the car and my son rides with her most of the time. His first song that he can almost sing to is that call me maybe song. I'm not against gays or my son being gay, I just feel a little uncomfortable with my son learning feminine things at a really early age. I would like to at least raise him as a normal boy and do all the things a boy should do. After I raise him that way, and he still ends up gay, so be it. At least I made sure I raised him as a son and not a daughter.

I'm going to disconnect the radio and make her play classical music cd's or rock all day.

[talisman]

I'm waiting for Steve to come over. I've got the tires waiting.

*edit* AND I'm imagining Eric sitting there, hitting refresh, laughing his ass off.

lolz, I had shit to do last night, but it is entertaining me this morning.

Posting this while wearing thigh highs!

[SS Junk]

Because society is now severely demonizing male masculinity it won't be a problem for him to dress however he wants by the time he's an adult.

[hotrod66stang]

First off, fuck you. I'm a better father than you could ever dream of being.

So wearing a dress makes the kid "turn" gay? Telling a 5 y/o BOY to dress like a BOY is now "verbally and physically abuse" and makes the kid feel like "shit and a failure"? Are you fucking kidding me?

That is laughable. I feel certain this isn't you.


"No, Junior. You're not allowed to wear that. You aren't Spiderman, and this isn't Halloween!"

As for the rest, try again. I never said wearing dresses would "turn" someone gay. I merely posed a hypothetical of "if he ended up being gay." Also, where did I say verbatim, or even imply that simply telling a boy to dress like a boy is abusive? It seems there is a recurring theme of reading comprehension failing several people. As a matter of fact, I stated quite the opposite:

Originally Posted by jdgregory84 View Post
When did it become wrong to tell your kids "no"?

It never did. I'm a firm believer that not enough parents tell their kids "no" these days or spank them, for that matter.

So I'm saying that telling the kid no is verbal abuse, but yet I also stated that we don't tell kids "no" enough?

Seems obvious who the idiot is here.

Yep, it's still you. Try to work on your reading comprehension, and come back. What I DID say was in response to you calling a 5-year old kid a "freak." I posted the two most realistic scenarios. The first being the kid "wearing a dress," which is what you were calling him a freak for. It is obvious that we're not talking about your son. You then tried to apply transitive properties to when you told your son "no" about a Spiderman costume, and apply my harsh scenario to that instance. It doesn't work that way. Again, if you would read the thread, I said we don't tell kids "no" enough. But I guess you can try to twist it around...Again, had you not called the kid a "freak," "the next Hitler," and surmised he won't be a "productive member of society," the "angry father" bit wouldn't have even been presented. However, those kind of reactions are all too common in fathers that exhibit such behavior.

Welcome to stangs!

I do think it's funny that hotrodd66stang thinks that someone telling their son "boys don't wear dresses" is the same thing as severe physical and verbal abuse. No one said they were going to give their kid lashings and beat him with a cane.

Again, show me where I stated that. Where did I say that saying boys don't wear dresses is the same as physical and verbal abuse? See: above. What I DID say is based in FACT from actual people that grew up this way with fathers who beat their chests and told them to be more like a man (and more often than not leads to abuse or downright abandonment). You know, the kind of parent that would call a 5-year old a "freak." That part was only brought up because of the idiotic comments from the peanut gallery. It isn't hard to see the ridiculous fear/anger boil up in these comments that are much aligned with someone who WOULD verbally abuse their son for being different. Here are a few:

he'll probably be the next Hitler.

Eddie Izzard, maybe. Hitler, probably not.

Some people shouldn't breed OR be able to adopt and force their deviate ways upon other children.

And yes, I expect to catch hell for that opinion, if it irritates you, lick my anus.

Again, without even reading the article, or if he did, just filling it in with his own "facts" of what happened.

Maybe he feels that wearing a dress is ok, but the rest of society probably won't. And his job as a parent is to raise a productive member of that society. Not some freak who runs around in women's clothing.

And here, somehow already knowing that the kid will never grow out of it, and won't be a productive member of society because he wore a dress at age 5. lol.

hotrodd66stang - ever heard the term "this hurts me more than it hurts you". Being a parent doesn't mean that you fully, wholeheartedly support everything your child decides to do. Since you like to jump to irrational conclusions based on simple replies from other people, I'll feed you some of your irrational preaching. What if your kid came home with a chainsaw and said "I think I'll go dismember some of the neighborhood kids tonight and maybe fuck a few goats when I'm done". Are you gonna send him on his way because you don't want to tell him that's not acceptable behavior? Or are you doing to "verbally abuse" him by saying no?

I'm sorry, where were the irrational conclusions based on simple replies? I asked valid questions as to which societal norms we're supposed to conform to. Just the United States? Can he not wear a kilt or sarong without fear of repercussion because it fits someone else's societal norms, but not ours? Are you only allowed to conform to the societal norms of the place you live in? If that's so, is it acceptable to conform to the societal norms in the muslim countries if that's where you're living? There are no leaps, no stretches of the imagination or wording in these questions. I'm sorry if you're too dense to understand plain English, closed-ended questions. As far as I'm aware, there are no societies where people run around dismembering neighborhood kids and fucking goats. If you wanted to make a parallel argument to the question I asked, you would ask if I would stop him from dismembering kids and fucking goats if it were a societal norm. Of course, the answer to that is "yes, I would stop him, but please don't try to equate wearing a dress to dismembering kids and fucking goats." I never once compared wearing a skirt to mutilation, I was merely setting up a series of questions to determine what societal rules we must follow, and why. Is it because of location? Religion? I specifically ask about different cultures located in different areas (not in the U.S.), and a religion that isn't the predominant one in the U.S., but is #2 worldwide. The point is that we obviously don't see the need to conform to other societies' norms, regardless of location around the world, yet we also wouldn't conform to a norm just because we live somewhere. This was supposed to be the discussion point from which we can converse about societal norms, and possibly have an intelligent dialogue. Since you fail at reading, here is the exchange again about societal norms.

Majority rules in my opinion. If you want to be different, don't be upset when you are ridiculed for not being normal.

So societal norms are the way we're supposed to judge EVERYONE? Based on which society? Evidently not the Scots, they wear kilts. Or Indians because they wear lungis. Or cultures where they wear sarongs. Or monks who wear long robes. So if you went to a predominantly muslim country, you're supposed to support mutilating women's genitalia or beating them to death, or honor killings?

The funny part is, I actually agree with Shaggin Wagon. I think if it's an ADULT that is doing something extreme, just for the sake of being different, and attention, don't me mad if people think you're not normal. Now, a 5-year old kid, that's different. I seriously doubt he's sitting there plotting this out for attention.

no comment on the outlandish shit stevo said? Only about hotrod? why is that? At least look at both idiotic statements and comment on both.

They both took extreme sides on the story.

I never made any idiotic statements, it's the idiots trying to twist what I said into idiotic statements. Again, you can't take my rebuttal from calling a 5-year old a freak and attribute it to telling a child "no, you can't wear a Spiderman outfit to school." It doesn't work that way. Just about everything else is factual or based on fact and the ignorant responses in here, like saying a little kid will be the next Hitler because he has worn a dress.

It's funny that no one wants to talk about FACTS, like deviation from the norm, sociological expectations, or the BS that spews from their keyboard about a 5-year old, etc. Oh yeah, I forgot this is DFWM, where if we can't make a point, we'll just turn your words around and attempt to use that against you.

Take the draw. You lost, you just don't know it yet.

[Jewmadbro?]

Am I the only father that would have told the kid he can't wear a dress and then made damn sure I burned every possible dress he could wear in the house?

I was thinking about this the other day actually. My wife listens to shitty POP music while in the car and my son rides with her most of the time. His first song that he can almost sing to is that call me maybe song. I'm not against gays or my son being gay, I just feel a little uncomfortable with my son learning feminine things at a really early age. I would like to at least raise him as a normal boy and do all the things a boy should do. After I raise him that way, and he still ends up gay, so be it. At least I made sure I raised him as a son and not a daughter.

I'm going to disconnect the radio and make her play classical music cd's or rock all day.

<--- Knows every word to call me maybe. Still likes vagina.