Offduty motorcycle cop hits little girl > dad beats cop > cop kills dad

[lowthreeohz]

Sorry, way too much logic in one post.

[Downs]

Unfortunately "layin'er down" is still an accepted form of accident avoidance for some people. Not sure if that's what happened here but you can still hear this alot from some of the cruiser crowd.

Rubber on the ground and brakes work WAY better than metal sliding on pavement.

[lowthreeohz]

Metal and more importantly skin

[dsrtuckteezy]

Unfortunately "layin'er down" is still an accepted form of accident avoidance for some people. Not sure if that's what happened here but you can still hear this alot from some of the cruiser crowd.

Rubber on the ground and brakes work WAY better than metal sliding on pavement.

true, but in some cases, it very well is the better option to lay it down.

[Kevin]

Sorry, way too much logic in one post.

Just wanted to explain that my 'assumptions' were based on the facts. lol.

[Forever_frost]

Unfortunately "layin'er down" is still an accepted form of accident avoidance for some people. Not sure if that's what happened here but you can still hear this alot from some of the cruiser crowd.

Rubber on the ground and brakes work WAY better than metal sliding on pavement.

Exactly my point.

[Downs]

true, but in some cases, it very well is the better option to lay it down.

What cases? Can you give examples where losing complete control over the vehicle is better than being in control and trying to avoid the situation right to the end?

Once that bike starts sliding it's an unguided missile that could kill someone and you also for the most part become an unguided missile.

[stevo]

According to the article the little girl suffered "contusions and abrasions" aka scrapes and bruises. No broken bones or fatal injuries, so the bike must not have been traveling at a high rate of speed or must not have directly hit her.

Also according to the article the 18 year-old cousin was also hit by the motorcycle. I will assume he was not injured (due to the fact that he joined in on beating the cop).

Police officer seemed to be the only person injured after the initial stage of the incident, possible fractured leg and dislocated shoulder (also mentioned in article).

At this point my assumption is that the kid darted away from the cousin, the cousin chased after her. Runs out from behind a parked car, motorcyclist reacts quickly to avoid running over a child. Now the physics of how the bike reacted to this movement is unknown, as is the distance/time the rider had to react. The cop tumbles on the ground at 30-40mph, then finally comes to a stop. With the adrenaline of the situation he probably didn't consider his own injuries at first, especially since the last thing he saw before he went down was a little child in his path. For all he knows he just killed a toddler...

My question now: Was the little girl conscious? Was she bawling from the cuts, scrapes, and bruises?

Either way, the cop rushes (limps, crawls?) to tend to the kid. Then the Dad comes out and he's freaking out (understandable). As the cop, from his perspective, he just needs to convey that he is a Police Officer, and since the dad is losing it, he says "Take it easy."

From the Dad's perspective, I would think that his first concern would be his daughter's well-being. Not going after the guy that happened to be driving when his nephew let his daughter run out into a 4 lane street. (Just my opinion, I don't have any children but it seems like natural instinct).
UNLESS, the daughter was conscious and crying, and obviously not fatally wounded. Then he takes off after the guy who says he's a cop and starts beating him.


Let's take our facts from this point:
Daughter - scrapes and bruises.
Dad - enraged, no injuries.
Cousin - "Hit" by motorcycle, no injuries, (should realize it's his fault the kid was in the street)
Motorcyclist/Cop - recently crashed bike, one good leg, one good arm (I deduced this from the article stating that they were checking for possible broken leg and dislocated shoulder)

What happens here? The dad punches the cop, one hit would have been understandable, but decides to continue beating him. Then the 18 year old cousin starts kicking him (Cop must be on the ground at this point, and unable to defend against two attackers). Probably realizing that if he blacks out, these guys could literally beat him to death, he uses his only good arm and pulls out his only chance for survival at this point and fires one round.

Cop or not, what kind of person starts fighting someone who is already hurt? Not to mention the cousin that jumps in after the cop is on the ground...

That is the scenario I imagined when I first read the article. You guys can argue about whether he could have avoided the girl. But she must have been visibly okay if the dad wasn't concerned with her when he got out there. She had no major injuries (fact), so he must have done a decent job of avoiding her under the circumstances with which he was given.

All of this is based off a press release from a police department, which eye-witnesses have said is not actually how it happened.

But we all know the police never lie.

Stevo

[dsrtuckteezy]

What cases? Can you give examples where losing complete control over the vehicle is better than being in control and trying to avoid the situation right to the end?

sure. how about when youre about to hit something with no forgiveness at a high rate of speed or a not so high rate of speed? doesnt matter.

i have the t-shirt. any other questions?

[Big A]

Unfortunately "layin'er down" is still an accepted form of accident avoidance for some people. Not sure if that's what happened here but you can still hear this alot from some of the cruiser crowd.

Rubber on the ground and brakes work WAY better than metal sliding on pavement.

oh oh, i know i know! I wanna answer!

A black person?

To call them a black person is offensive to black people.

[Downs]

That makes no sense what so ever. If it doesn't matter then it won't matter if you stay on the bike and try to avoid to the bitter end, other than you might be able to slow to a lower impact speed if you stay on the bike. You example doesn't show anything one way or the other.

Yippie you have a T-shirt I've crashed a motorcycle also. Laying it down either time would have resulted in much worse injuries since I would have impacted the ground and then slid and impacted something else more than likely the bike or the car or both. Both times I was able to maneuver the motorcycle into a more advantageous position resulting in a less severe impact and lower speed.

No matter what you bleed off speed much more quickly using the rubber tires and brakes than you do sliding along the ground.

[Forever_frost]

You can also guide the bike if it's upright than if you lay it down and let it go where it wants.

[Kevin]

All of this is based off a press release from a police department, which eye-witnesses have said is not actually how it happened.

But we all know the police never lie.

Stevo

True. But somehow these "eye-witnesses" seem to all be cousins of the victim... Both sides have incentive to lie.
Not only that, but even honest unbiased eye-witnesses aren't 100% reliable.

Either way, I came to my understanding of the event by reading the same article as everyone else on this thread.

[Big A]

Regardles of profession, the rider did what he could to avoid/mitigate. Regardless of color, the father did everything he could to instigate.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[dsrtuckteezy]

That makes no sense what so ever. If it doesn't matter then it won't matter if you stay on the bike and try to avoid to the bitter end, other than you might be able to slow to a lower impact speed if you stay on the bike. You example doesn't show anything one way or the other.

Yippie you have a T-shirt I've crashed a motorcycle also. Laying it down either time would have resulted in much worse injuries since I would have impacted the ground and then slid and impacted something else more than likely the bike or the car or both. Both times I was able to maneuver the motorcycle into a more advantageous position resulting in a less severe impact and lower speed.

No matter what you bleed off speed much more quickly using the rubber tires and brakes than you do sliding along the ground.

youre a fucking stupid if you think plowing into a solid object over sliding on the pavement is better. you can scrub off speed as much as you can but youre still going to have a better chance of dying if you ride it out to impact. some things you simply cant avoid.

your opinions speak of inexperience. you probably also ride like a bitch.
there have been many times where if i hadnt laid my dirt bike over, i would be severely fucked up. it applies on the street just the same. and i dont give a fuck where my bike goes if im about to eat shit.

like i said, in some cases. i hope you do try to ride out a guaranteed impact one day and end up as a stain. ill take some rash in my leathers any day over blunt force trauma if there is no avoidance.

now, run along.