Offduty motorcycle cop hits little girl > dad beats cop > cop kills dad

[Sean88gt]

The little girl didn't die thank god but as a dad I can't say I could or would react any different . I also agree that its not the cops fault the kid was in the street but even with it being the dad's fault for letting her get there the instant rage at seeing your child hurt is very hard to control . I pray I am never put in that situation.

I can. I'd tend to my daughter first.

[Armedtrigger01]

Unfortunately the part of the story I need to pass
Judgement is missing. If this was a major roadway of 45 or 50 mph then it sucks but more then likely unavoidable. If this was a small residential street then the cop should have taken his ass beating as he should have been driving slow enough to have avoided any harm to anyone.

[bcoop]

You miss the part where the article stated the kid was with an adult who was also struck?

No, I didn't. Had someone been doing their job, the kid never would have made it in to the street in the first place. Kids need boundaries. It's up to the parents to teach them. Or in this case, the cousin, to make sure they don't cross them.

Seems pretty damn simple to me...

[dmh165638]

Unfortunately the part of the story I need to pass
Judgement is missing. If this was a major roadway of 45 or 50 mph then it sucks but more then likely unavoidable. If this was a small residential street then the cop should have taken his ass beating as he should have been driving slow enough to have avoided any harm to anyone.

How the hell can you make those judgements based only on the speed of the street they were on? So if I am driving 30 (post speed) down my residential street on a Harley and a child jumps out directly in front of me regardless if I am 5ft or 50ft away I should be able to react in time to miss them? So even if you do have time to swerve and miss her what if she stops and reverses direction and boom you hit her anyway because you swerved the wrong way?

No, I didn't. Had someone been doing their job, the kid never would have made it in to the street in the first place. Kids need boundaries. It's up to the parents to teach them. Or in this case, the cousin, to make sure they don't cross them.

Seems pretty damn simple to me...

Bingo! Sounds like the cousin was running after the child who had gotten loose from her.

[SS Junk]

No, I didn't. Had someone been doing their job, the kid never would have made it in to the street in the first place. Kids need boundaries. It's up to the parents to teach them. Or in this case, the cousin, to make sure they don't cross them.

Seems pretty damn simple to me...

It's always simple looking at it from an outside perspective. We all aren't perfect. Shit happens.

[stevo]

How the hell can you make those judgements based only on the speed of the street they were on? .

It is very simple.

If the cop had time to purposely lay the bike down he had time to react, which means there was at least 2-3 seconds from the time that he saw the child until the accident. I'd take a guess that he had to be traveling pretty fast to decided to do that instead of hitting the brakes, since 2-3 seconds on the brakes would reduce speed greatly if he was traveling slower. Now, if the street limit was, say 50mph, he would probably be traveling close to the speed limit. If it was 30, he would have been traveling in excess of the speed limit. Excess speed means he is partially responsible at the minimum.

If the cop was excessively speeding, then he was negligent, and he should get a bullet in the head. If he was abiding by the law by traveling the proper speed, it was justified.

Either way, he'll just get some 'extra training' and nothing will ever come of it.......

Stevo

[Armedtrigger01]

When I drive down a residential street I'm ready for something like that regardless of parents watching the kid or not. Everyone that has kids knows they sometimes do crazy things so driving down a residential street you should always be on the look out for a kid to bolt suddenly not to mention doing 25 on a bike the Dahm thing stops pretty instantly he not only hit his brakes but laid it down and still hit her which means he was booking it. Which leads me to belive that he was speeding down a residential street or was on a busier street. The latter is more then likely what happened but around here I have seen cops doing 45 through the neighborhood so who knows.

[03mustangdude]

with the cop on this one it was by a restaurant so sounds like at least a 40mph road. dad should have controlled himself or at least had cousin to try to control him.

[Whiteboy]

When I drive down a residential street I'm ready for something like that regardless of parents watching the kid or not. Everyone that has kids knows they sometimes do crazy things so driving down a residential street you should always be on the look out for a kid to bolt suddenly not to mention doing 25 on a bike the Dahm thing stops pretty instantly he not only hit his brakes but laid it down and still hit her which means he was booking it. Which leads me to belive that he was speeding down a residential street or was on a busier street. The latter is more then likely what happened but around here I have seen cops doing 45 through the neighborhood so who knows.

ran out of a nearby restaurant, saw the scene, and began taking out his fury on the man who had hurt his daughter.

Did you miss the part he ran out a restaurant?

Sounds like the 18 y/o wasnt watching the kid!

Cop was in the right.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Guy was in a restaurant, 4 year old playing in street . sounds legit

[stevo]

When I drive down a residential street I'm ready for something like that regardless of parents watching the kid or not. Everyone that has kids knows they sometimes do crazy things so driving down a residential street you should always be on the look out for a kid to bolt suddenly not to mention doing 25 on a bike the Dahm thing stops pretty instantly he not only hit his brakes but laid it down and still hit her which means he was booking it. Which leads me to belive that he was speeding down a residential street or was on a busier street. The latter is more then likely what happened but around here I have seen cops doing 45 through the neighborhood so who knows.

When I am driving down the road I am pretty much paranoid, looking for things that might happen. I have been in several major accidents, rear ended once where a girl hit me doing around 55 as I sat in a left turning lane, and one head-on where a girl ran a red light and me head on doing around 40 as I was turning left at a signal. I had one when I was young where the 'washboard' bumps on a gravel road caused me to lose control and slide off the road into a tree. I rear-ended a drunk redneck that locked up his brakes without having brake lights one night.

When I drive now, I spend the entire time LOOKING for shit to happen, and am constantly prepared to react. It is one of the reasons I very seldom speed these days. I practice situational awareness to the point of paranoia.

Stevo

[stevo]

with the cop on this one it was by a restaurant so sounds like at least a 40mph road. dad should have controlled himself or at least had cousin to try to control him.

What if the cop was doing 75?

Stevo

[Unicorn Jeff]

What if the cop was doing 75?

Stevo

He was trying to be like Terminator.

[SS Junk]

He was riding north on First Avenue in Maywood near Madison Street

http://couriernews.suntimes.com/news/14458983-418/elgin-man-killed-by-off-duty-chicago-cop.html

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=madison+street+maywood,+il&hl=en&ll=41.877805,-87.833955&spn=0.003259,0.012993&sll=41.893173,-87.833945&sspn=0.007196,0.012993&hnear=Madison+St,+Maywood,+Illinois&t=m&layer=c&cbll=41.877807,-87.833957&panoid=dP8dij5jQwL39Ovelo7wKg&cbp=11,19.13,,0,0&z=17

[Rick Modena]

Absolutely.. why the fuck was their 3 year old outside and in the street?? Beyond that, his profession is irrelevant unless he was on duty.. otherwise an armed citizen killed a POS who was attacking him

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