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  • $33 First Class flights to Hong Kong?

    What do you guys think? I'm usually on the side of the consumer, but I have to agree with the guy from Airfare Watchdog on this go 'round.

    NEW YORK (AP) — It was an airfare deal too good to be true: fly first class to Hong Kong for just 4 frequent flier miles and $33 in taxes.

    Clearly, it was a computer glitch. But it's also turning out to be the first major test of the Department of Transportation's new consumer protection rules prohibiting airlines from "increasing the price after the consumer completes the purchase."

    On Sunday, computers at United Airlines erroneously let passengers book flights to Hong Kong — or other places in Asia connecting in Hong Kong — in exchange for 4 miles, plus government taxes. Frequent fliers quickly shared the error on blogs and online chat rooms. Some, such as Ben Schlappig who runs the site One Mile at a Time, advised people not to call the airline, saying, "there's no need to bring further attention to this pricing."

    A business class seat for a flight on United to Hong Kong goes for about $8,500 or 120,000 frequent flier miles; first class costs $10,250 or 140,000 miles.

    Before long, hundreds, if not thousands, of fliers — the airline won't say how many — booked trips. United eventually pulled the plug and announced it wasn't honoring tickets already sold. People could get a refund without paying a penalty or have the proper amount of miles deducted. Anyone who had already started their trip would be allowed to complete their travel.


    Several people who booked tickets complained to the DOT, which is now investigating.

    "Our rule on post-purchase price increases applies to frequent flier tickets, particularly when they also entail cash payments," DOT spokesman Bill Mosley said via email.

    There's one sticking point in this case: the cost advertised was actually correct. A ticket searcher initially saw a cost of 120,000 miles. It was only when customers went to book that the 4 mile figure appeared. And if customers had the full 120,000 miles in their accounts, that was actually deducted. Those with less had no miles deducted. All passengers were charged the appropriate taxes.

    Mosley said the agency hadn't yet "reached any conclusions."

    The maximum penalty per violation is $27,500 but the government has wide discretion in what amount to actual fine. DOT says each ticket sold by United could be considered a separate violation.

    Susan Clarke, a 62-year-old retired teacher from Aiken, S.C., is one of the people who bought a ticket. She knew it was a computer glitch but booked a trip for March anyway.

    "United just made a big mistake and needs to honor it," she said. "That was their mistake, wasn't it?"

    But those who make a living off finding airfare sales say there is a difference between a good deal and taking advantage of a mistake.

    "When a waiter adds up the check wrong in my favor, I let him or her know. When a clerk hands me back too much change, I give it back," said George Hobica, founder of AirfareWatchdog. "These fliers knew that this was a mistake, and they should treat an airline the same way they treat any other entity."

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    I predict a lot of first class passengers reporting lost luggage somewhere between here and Hong Kong if DOT makes them honor it.
    Men have become the tools of their tools.
    -Henry David Thoreau

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    • #3
      I'm directing this tidbit towards the lady quoted at the end and others of her ilk: People are fucking worthless. The website said 120,000 miles and didn't correct to the wrong amount until check out. Effectively, only people with the 120k miles would even know. And they would be docked the miles. Essentially, that bitch would never have known because her stupid ass wouldn't have been using the miles to go there anyways.

      I liken that to a situation where she drops her purse in her driveway and he neighbor screams out "she's got $1,000 in her purse!" I slam on my brakes, jump out of my car, pick it up and hand it back to her after removing all of the cash. She sees the missing money and I smile and say, "finders keepers"... she says, "but you saw me drop it. I'm standing here. You'd never taken the money if you didn't know it was there!" To me, it's the same situation, where even though those people got their grubby thieving hands on the tickets, they had no right purposely digging through something and taking it knowing full well it wasn't legit.

      United should allow everyone that has absolutely no Asian travel history the ability to keep the tickets if they pay the airline's cost on the airfare and they are the only one's redeeming it (not transferring to someone else after eBaying them, per se). See how many actually nut up and want to go. I'm betting on less than 2% actually do it.
      Originally posted by PGreenCobra
      I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
      Originally posted by Trip McNeely
      Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
      dont downshift!!
      Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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      • #4
        I guess it kinda depends on the magnitude of the f/up. Several years ago Home depot mispriced some preasure washers on their website and several board members back in Canada jumped on the deal. Sure it was wrong, but that didn't stop anybody.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by talisman View Post
          "When a waiter adds up the check wrong in my favor, I let him or her know. When a clerk hands me back too much change, I give it back," said George Hobica, founder of AirfareWatchdog. "These fliers knew that this was a mistake, and they should treat an airline the same way they treat any other entity."
          I couldn't have said it better. I've even seen people from this site jump on the bandwagon before, "they fucked up, too bad for them ... I'm going to sue if they don't give me the merchandise that was OBVIOUSLY miss advertised!". It really makes me sad for society. What's worse is these same people think everyone would do it, and that nobody actually has any morals since they don't.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by CJ-95GT View Post
            I guess it kinda depends on the magnitude of the f/up. Several years ago Home depot mispriced some preasure washers on their website and several board members back in Canada jumped on the deal. Sure it was wrong, but that didn't stop anybody.
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            • #7
              Having just gone through a $46k "mistake" myself, I'm glad my customer wasn't one of these schlub's. Then again, I also don't have the US government playing watchdog to force me to "make good" on it. Too many people want something for nothing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DON SVO View Post
                I'm directing this tidbit towards the lady quoted at the end and others of her ilk: YOU are fucking worthless.
                Exactly what I thought when I read that. What a stupid bitch. I'm sure she's one of the fools bitching about airfare prices and then wanting this flight "for free," without understanding the correlation or effects between the two.

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                • #9
                  So how does this work? Wouldn't changing the price of the ticket be false advertising? Or are you really not entering into a contract with the seller?

                  This has got to be on one of those "discount ticket" sham sites. All those companies that resell tickets really make the airline look bad. I really think the airlines would be doing themselves a favour in the long run not to sell their leftover seats to companies like this.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by majorownage View Post
                    So how does this work? Wouldn't changing the price of the ticket be false advertising? Or are you really not entering into a contract with the seller?

                    This has got to be on one of those "discount ticket" sham sites. All those companies that resell tickets really make the airline look bad. I really think the airlines would be doing themselves a favour in the long run not to sell their leftover seats to companies like this.
                    It was the airline's own website, apparently. The people were redeeming United Airway miles on United's site per the article.
                    Originally posted by PGreenCobra
                    I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
                    Originally posted by Trip McNeely
                    Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
                    dont downshift!!
                    Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by majorownage View Post
                      So how does this work? Wouldn't changing the price of the ticket be false advertising? Or are you really not entering into a contract with the seller?

                      This has got to be on one of those "discount ticket" sham sites. All those companies that resell tickets really make the airline look bad. I really think the airlines would be doing themselves a favour in the long run not to sell their leftover seats to companies like this.
                      Well, they weren't advertising $33 flights. It was calculated correctly in the initial screen, and due to a glitch in the shopping cart, it was calculating it as $33 or 4 frequent flier miles, if there were less than 120,000 miles in the customer's account.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DON SVO View Post
                        It was the airline's own website, apparently. The people were redeeming United Airway miles on United's site per the article.
                        Skimming fail.

                        So I guess the law is protecting the value of travel miles? I couldn't fathom how they could legally extort more cash for a ticket that was already purchased...
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                        • #13
                          They're not extorting anything. They're being given the opportunity to buy the flight at the correct price or get a refund without penalty. If they've already started their trip, United is honoring the mistake.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Treasure Chest View Post
                            They're not extorting anything. They're being given the opportunity to buy the flight at the correct price or get a refund without penalty. If they've already started their trip, United is honoring the mistake.
                            I'm not referring to this specific instance however. I was asking why the DOT must enact this law in the first place.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by majorownage View Post
                              Skimming fail.

                              So I guess the law is protecting the value of travel miles? I couldn't fathom how they could legally extort more cash for a ticket that was already purchased...
                              The travel miles require XXX amount of travel to earn. Thye're the same as money, since you have to spend XXX to get them.
                              Originally posted by PGreenCobra
                              I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
                              Originally posted by Trip McNeely
                              Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy
                              dont downshift!!
                              Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.

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