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[talisman]

lmao, so what's new, guys?

[Broncojohnny]

I'm questioning your expertise on this matter.

Of which you have none. I just wanted to point that out..... Again.....

I know, I know, I really need to take the 3 month course at the police academy so I can be just like you, does the course work include classes on deflection of blame, avoiding personal responsibility for mistakes and how to come across as a dumbfuck on the internet?

[03trubluGT]

I know, I know, I really need to take the 3 month course at the police academy so I can be just like you, does the course work include classes on deflection of blame, avoiding personal responsibility for mistakes and how to come across as a dumbfuck on the internet?

No, you have the dumbfuck thing covered.....

[Geor!]

It says volumes that this site reports:

The above reports the the basics, as did most outlets, but Central Florida News 13 irritatingly decided to go with a lede of "A Lake County man with a criminal history is dead after a confrontation with deputies." Ten grafs down, they mention that Scott's criminal record was...for drug offenses. Drugs and paraphernalia were indeed found in his apartment. News 13's headline also describes the victim as a "a man with a criminal history," which, though accurate, seems a bit beside the point in these circumstances. In spite of his apparent drug use, Fox News Tampa interviewed neighbors of Scott who said he was a nice guy as they criticized police actions.


The fact that this website is criticizing a media outlet for being too conservative is ironic. I guess the website linked is VERY VERY liberal.

Reason is a libertarian outfit.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

I guess to you operating at a level above negligence is a challenge. lol

Sounds like you're describing some engineer.

[talisman]

Oh shit, Matt just went balls out with the "I'm rubber you're glue" retorts. Are you going to take that kind of abuse, Al?

[lowthreeohz]

Sounds like you're describing some engineer.

Must be like one of our RFI guys.. Dude is useless

[Broncojohnny]

No, you have the dumbfuck thing covered.....

Says the guy who doesn't understand why his retirement may not really exist. You know all about deflecting blame and making excuses but anything beyond that, you don't have a clue. You sound like the perfect public servant, you should have tried out for that new Robocop movie, you could be the new Peter Nibbler errrr Weller.

[futant]

my friend was visited by the cops just 'at the wrong door ' once when his neighbors were being loud late at night.

my friend thought it was said neighbor and threw open the door with his gun drawn.
the two APD cops about shit a brick and pulled their guns.
he just pointed his down and directed their attention to the now quiet apartment next door or whereever.

point is , cops can shoot first and lie later. You can't ...... double standard.
take your own choice to shoot or not. I don't care cause I would always answer the door with gun drawn. they can kiss my fucking ass dead or alive. There's a decent chance theyre criminals dressed as cops , or cops that are criminals.

[SouthernSVT]

I guess uniforms with patches and badges that say "Police" aren't good enough...

Maybe if they said it out loud it would be good enough...

No one ever looks through an apartment peephole anymore?

I guess he had time to point it at them, but no time to realize that they were the police? Come on.....

Responsibility? I'm sure that the city will be quite responsible.....

...I'm sure you know as well as anyone that when police knock on a person's door they stand off to the side. Every cop who has ever knocked on my door has stood off to the side out of sight of the peephole. They don't want you to know that there's a cop at your door so that you will answer. I'm not bashing them for this, as it makes sense. However if you aren't going to let a person know that you're a cop, then you can't expect them to act as if you are one when they answer. You can't have it both ways. If you're purposefully going to hide that you're an officer, than you can't shoot them for pointing a gun at an unknown person at their door in the middle of the night.

As far as having the time to point the gun, without having time to realize they were police: If he answered the door with the gun already pointed, which is very likely, and then they immediately shot him then he would not of had time to lower his weapon.

Finally the city should hold only a little bit of the responsibility. The real responsibility lies with the person who got the adress wrong, and the trigger happy officers who failed to announce that they were police before opening fire on someone in their own home.

[03trubluGT]

Says the guy who doesn't understand why his retirement may not really exist. You know all about deflecting blame and making excuses but anything beyond that, you don't have a clue. You sound like the perfect public servant, you should have tried out for that new Robocop movie, you could be the new Peter Nibbler errrr Weller.

If it doesn't, that's fine. I will take my investment and go elsewhere. Why the fuck are you so concerned with MY retirement? Oh that's right, you and others on here have a skewed obsession with me.

Why doesn't Alan worry about his own retirement, or lack thereof?

[talisman]

Maybe if they said it out loud it would be good enough...



...I'm sure you know as well as anyone that when police knock on a person's door they stand off to the side. Every cop who has ever knocked on my door has stood off to the side out of sight of the peephole. They don't want you to know that there's a cop at your door so that you will answer. I'm not bashing them for this, as it makes sense. However if you aren't going to let a person know that you're a cop, then you can't expect them to act as if you are one when they answer. You can't have it both ways. If you're purposefully going to hide that you're an officer, than you can't shoot them for pointing a gun at an unknown person at their door in the middle of the night.

As far as having the time to point the gun, without having time to realize they were police: If he answered the door with the gun already pointed, which is very likely, and then they immediately shot him then he would not of had time to lower his weapon.

Finally the city should hold only a little bit of the responsibility. The real responsibility lies with the person who got the adress wrong, and the trigger happy officers who failed to announce that they were police before opening fire on someone in their own home.

Sir, all I got from reading this post was a bunch of common sense mumbo jumbo. Aren't you aware that you are required by law to have a bucket full of rose petals at the door in case some half wit starts banging on your door in the middle of the night because they can't read a fucking house number?

[03trubluGT]

Maybe if they said it out loud it would be good enough....

Visual cues are much faster than verbal. There should be no need to explain this.

...I'm sure you know as well as anyone that when police knock on a person's door they stand off to the side. Every cop who has ever knocked on my door has stood off to the side out of sight of the peephole. They don't want you to know that there's a cop at your door so that you will answer. I'm not bashing them for this, as it makes sense. However if you aren't going to let a person know that you're a cop, then you can't expect them to act as if you are one when they answer. You can't have it both ways. If you're purposefully going to hide that you're an officer, than you can't shoot them for pointing a gun at an unknown person at their door in the middle of the night..

If you can't see who is at the door and you open it anyway, then that's on you. People should be smarter than that.

As far as having the time to point the gun, without having time to realize they were police: If he answered the door with the gun already pointed, which is very likely, and then they immediately shot him then he would not of had time to lower his weapon..

So you are implying that both parties already had guns drawn and pointed? I guess the cops were quicker on the trigger?

Finally the city should hold only a little bit of the responsibility. The real responsibility lies with the person who got the adress wrong, and the trigger happy officers who failed to announce that they were police before opening fire on someone in their own home.

As an agent of the city, everyone knows where the deep pockets are.


There is no disputing that this went horribly wrong, and I wished that things like this did not happen. There is no easy fix, or there would be one in place.

[Broncojohnny]

If it doesn't, that's fine. I will take my investment and go elsewhere. Why the fuck are you so concerned with MY retirement? Oh that's right, you and others on here have a skewed obsession with me.

Why doesn't Alan worry about his own retirement, or lack thereof?

Who said I was worried? I'm just amusing myself by thinking of you opening that letter that says the City of Ft. Worth shit the bed. Maybe they should take money from the retirement plan of these cops in this story and give it to the victim's estate? Now there is an idea that I like!

[SouthernSVT]

Visual cues are much faster than verbal. There should be no need to explain this.

Visual cues only work if you can see them.

If you can't see who is at the door and you open it anyway, then that's on you. People should be smarter than that.

That's what the gun is for.

So you are implying that both parties already had guns drawn and pointed? I guess the cops were quicker on the trigger?

If the cops were hunting down a murder suspect then they would most likely be ready to use their firearms. If the cops shot the guy, and he WASN'T pointing it at them then that makes them even bigger pieces of shit. It would appear that the cops WERE quicker on the trigger, in fact they were too quick.

As an agent of the city, everyone knows where the deep pockets are.

Do what you want, someone else will pay for your mistakes. Generic cop thinking.

There is no disputing that this went horribly wrong, and I wished that things like this did not happen. There is no easy fix, or there would be one in place.

I agree.