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    Just weed. Kinda blows the whole bit that weed doesn't cause ill effects, but I can already imagine the replies that will be coming in defense of weed.

    MIAMI (AP) — Lab tests detected only marijuana in the system of a Florida man shot while chewing on another man's face, the medical examiner said Wednesday, ruling out other street drugs including the components typically found in the stimulants known as "bath salts."

    There has been much speculation about what drugs, if any, would lead to the bizarre behavior that authorities said Rudy Eugene exhibited before and during the gruesome attack that left the other man horribly disfigured. A Miami police union official had suggested that Eugene, who was shot and killed by an officer, was probably under the influence of bath salts.

    The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner said in a news release that the toxicology detected marijuana, but it didn't find any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs. Eugene also tested negative for adulterants commonly mixed with street drugs.

    The department ruled out the most common components found in so-called bath salts, which mimic the effects of cocaine or methamphetamine and have been associated with bizarre crimes in recent months. An outside forensic toxicology lab, which took a second look at the results, also confirmed the absence of bath salts, synthetic marijuana and LSD.

    Messages left with the medical examiner's office for comment were not immediately returned.

    The Drug Enforcement Administration last year temporarily outlawed the possession and sale of three synthetic stimulants sometimes packaged as "bath salts." Several states have also moved to ban the drugs, often sold on the Internet and in head shops and other retail outlets. The bans don't affect the kinds of bath salts added to tubs for their fragrance and cosmetic benefits.

    An expert on toxicology testing said that marijuana alone wasn't likely to cause behavior as strange as Eugene's.

    "The problem today is that there is an almost an infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Professor and Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida.

    Goldberger said that the medical examiner's office in Miami is known for doing thorough work and that he's confident they and the independent lab covered as much ground as possible. But it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

    "There are many of these synthetic drugs that we currently don't have the methodology to test on, and that is not the fault of the toxicology lab. The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them, but it's very difficult and very expensive." Goldberger said. "There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."

    An addiction expert said she wouldn't rule out marijuana causing the agitation.

    "It could have been the strain of marijuana that increases the dopamine in the brain, such as sativa," said Dr. Patricia Junquera, assistant professor at the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

    There are two strains of marijuana called sativa and indica. The sativa increases dopamine and gives you energy while decreasing pain threshold. Indica is a "sleepy high," she explained.

    "People don't really know what the amount of either is in each little packet of marijuana," she explained. "And we can't differentiate between the two in the blood, much less in a dead person."

    She also suggested that if Eugene had a mental disorder, "the marijuana could have increased even further the dopamine levels and aggravated the situation. So that can't be ruled out."

    It's not clear what led to the May 26 attack on Ronald Poppo, a 65-year-old homeless man who remains hospitalized. Eugene's friends and family have said he was religious, not violent and that he didn't drink or do drugs harder than marijuana.

    "There's no answer for it, not really," Eugene's younger brother, Marckenson Charles, said in an interview. "Anybody who knew him knows this wasn't the person we knew him to be. Whatever triggered him, there is no answer for this."

    Surveillance video from a nearby building shows Eugene stripping Poppo and pummeling him, before appearing to hunch over and lie on top of him. The police officer who shot Eugene to death said he growled at the officer when he told him to stop.

    Charles, Eugene's brother, said the family does not plan to pursue any legal action against the police for shooting Eugene.

    "They used the force they felt was necessary, even if we don't agree with that,' he said.

    He said that Eugene has been buried.

    Shortly before the attack, a person driving on the MacArthur Causeway told a 911 dispatcher a "completely naked man" was on top of one of the light poles on the causeway and "acting like Tarzan." Still, police have said little about what may prompted Eugene to attack Poppo.

    Poppo has undergone several surgeries and remains hospitalized. His left eye was removed, but doctors said earlier this month they were trying to find a way to restore vision in his right eye. He will need more surgeries before he can explore the options for reconstructing his face, doctors have said. A message left with the hospital was not immediately returned.

    Poppo's family has said it had no contact with him for more than 30 years and thought he was dead.

    Eugene's girlfriend, meanwhile, has said he never showed any signs of violence. Yovonka Bryant said she and Eugene often read the Bible and the Quran together, and often watched a religious television program in the mornings. She said she never saw Eugene drink and only saw him smoke marijuana once at a party.
    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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    Derp. Must have been the weed. Couldn't possibly be that he was just fucking crazy. No sober person has ever done anything crazy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by exlude View Post
      Derp. Must have been the weed. Couldn't possibly be that he was just fucking crazy. No sober person has ever done anything crazy.
      This. You can't presume a causative link based on anecdotal evidence.
      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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      • #4
        Mind blown. I just read this and was about to post it. Wtf was this dood's deal?! High folks usually don't swing from light poles, lose clothes, and munch on faces! Unless their is a couch, adult swim on tv, and Cheetos to munch on. That's the extent of potheads! Lol interesting...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tannerm View Post
          Mind blown. I just read this and was about to post it. Wtf was this dood's deal?! High folks usually don't swing from light poles, lose clothes, and munch on faces! Unless their is a couch, adult swim on tv, and Cheetos to munch on. That's the extent of potheads! Lol interesting...
          They call it, "crazy."
          ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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          • #6
            Crazy :: zombie. Eh, same in this instance!

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            • #7
              Alright, now I can have a bath salts induced weekend without fear of gnawing anybody's face off!
              .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 71chevellejohn View Post
                Alright, now I can have a bath salts induced weekend without fear of gnawing anybody's face off!
                Shit! I'm on them right now and I'm not doing any face gnawing!
                Ded

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                • #9
                  Dante must have sold the guy the Frankenstein Weed

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                  • #10
                    Pretty crazy stuff, don't know if anyone here has heard about the guy here in waco that beat and ate a dog.

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                    • #11
                      ^ lol

                      Id almost call BS on that one to be honest. What that guy did is polar opposite of marijuana side effects. People have been smoking weed forever and to say weed caused him to eat someone's face, well that would be the first time in history that's ever happened.. Sure he may have been high or just had some dank in his system but that wasn't the root of the evil by any means. So no, there still isn't any 'real' negative direct effects of marijuana besides excessive laziness and the munchies, unlike what the media tells you.. Reefer madness comes to mind, what a crock of shit that was.

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                      • #12
                        Dat ninja wuz smokin wet! or sherm or sumfin.
                        Ded

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                        • #13
                          What,nobodies had the zombie munchies?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by VaderTT View Post
                            Shit! I'm on them right now and I'm not doing any face gnawing!
                            Honestly a face chewing incident wouldn't seem that far fetched for you.

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                            • #15
                              But it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

                              Who knows what this guy was actually on....

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