Do you treat fat people differently?

[Nick M]

Steve, Drysdale is a big dude. If you wanna see why size matters watch Roger Gracie. Once skill and technique levels are the same the only thing that will separate the two would be size and strength. Think about your match from naga, maybe you had that guy skill wise but from what you said he was twice your size. Hard to do anything with that. I'm a small guy who's reminded every time I roll just how much size does matter.

BTW you had me LOL at tapping like Sammy Davis Jr.

I disagree. Weight only matters when skill is lacking. How do you explain small guys like Marcelo Garcia or Robert Drysdale or Kron who dominate Absolute divisions? Mat time and experience tells me that weight doesn't matter. Because I weigh more I'm going to go over there and dominate Danny who is all of maybe 150lbs? I think not.

If you get in a street fight, you going to tell the guy you can't fight him because you aren't in the same weight class? lol. You deal with what is given to you.

There are weight classes in sporting events because people are crybabies. Everyone wants their trophies and medals, not to be warriors. I LOVE rolling with monsters like Adam and Fernando (another monster Adam's size at our gym) Because when you get the hang of it, it's alot easier to handle others.

Every person has their things they are good at and weak at, but in todays society no one wants to admit their weaknesses and work on them to make them strengths. It's easier to bitch and try to make exuses about weight differences rather than work with the monsters. To be great, you have to go outside your comfort zone and push yourself.

[SSMAN]

I think I'm destined to be fat honestly. I've never been below 300lbs in the last 8 years, and in that period I was running several miles a day and biking 12+ miles each evening. I think a lot of it has to do with your build. I keep most of my weight in my chest, arms, and neck.

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I've definitely put some weight on, but I'll have it off again. Seems I'm very apt to stop my regular exercising routine, I probably need some friends to work out with on a regular basis. I'm fat for a simple reason, I eat too damn much and don't exercise enough. Pretty simple conclusion.

You must be very tall. You don't look like you weigh 300 lbs to me. Talking about carrying your weight well.

[cobrajet69]

You must be very tall. You don't look like you weigh 300 lbs to me. Talking about carrying your weight well.

He is Barry (tall), but you still wouldn't know it by standing next to him, that he weighed that much.



David

[LS1Goat]

I think I'm destined to be fat honestly. I've never been below 300lbs in the last 8 years, and in that period I was running several miles a day and biking 12+ miles each evening. I think a lot of it has to do with your build. I keep most of my weight in my chest, arms, and neck.



I'm 307lbs in this photo for example.


again over 300lbs

I've definitely put some weight on, but I'll have it off again. Seems I'm very apt to stop my regular exercising routine, I probably need some friends to work out with on a regular basis. I'm fat for a simple reason, I eat too damn much and don't exercise enough. Pretty simple conclusion.

300 lbs?? How tall are you? I have a good friend who is 6' 1" 290 and he's a lot bigger than you appear in that picture.

[Steve]

Steve, Drysdale is a big dude. If you wanna see why size matters watch Roger Gracie. Once skill and technique levels are the same the only thing that will separate the two would be size and strength. Think about your match from naga, maybe you had that guy skill wise but from what you said he was twice your size. Hard to do anything with that. I'm a small guy who's reminded every time I roll just how much size does matter.

BTW you had me LOL at tapping like Sammy Davis Jr.

I can agree with your statement at the highest levels of BJJ, sure. But at the level WE are at, MYSELF personally, do not struggle with big guys as much.

You're an advanced blue, I can understand you struggling abit with someone like Adam because of strength difference, but I would think you'd still be able to work through it with being more advanced in technique. If it's a street fight with a random monster with no training, it's even easier.

I dunno, maybe I've got it twisted. I'm not a small guy like you, but at my natural weight (200lbs), I'm not a "big" guy either. I'm only 5'8 or so. Once I get my weight down, Nate will be a bigger guy then I am. I don't see why at his size (he's pretty strong too, he doesn't give himself enough credit) I don't see why he would be complaining about weight differences. Anyone he gets into a fight with on the street, is going to be bigger than him, it's something he needs to learn to deal with, otherwise BJJ isn't going to help him at all.

I certainly don't think Drysdale is a "big" guy either, maybe I've just been rolling with huge monsters for too long now. lol. I'll find out soon when I go out there in Febuary to see my brother. While I'm there I'm planning a couple of drop in's and a private with him.

The guy I fought at NAGA, that was a freak accident. Even though he was 6'3 @ 369lbs lol, had I not hurt my knee I could have handled him still I think. Hurting my knee has actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise because it's really made me concentrate on very detailed technique work and working my guard.

JMO's is all. Thanks for joining the conversation finally though. I do enjoy them alot with other BJJ guys.

[Steve]

You must be very tall. You don't look like you weigh 300 lbs to me. Talking about carrying your weight well.

I agree completely. I wouldn't call that guy in those pics fat at all. Just a big dude.

[jdgregory84]

I can agree with your statement at the highest levels of BJJ, sure. But at the level WE are at, MYSELF personally, do not struggle with big guys as much.

You're an advanced blue, I can understand you struggling abit with someone like Adam because of strength difference, but I would think you'd still be able to work through it with being more advanced in technique. If it's a street fight with a random monster with no training, it's even easier.

I dunno, maybe I've got it twisted. I'm not a small guy like you, but at my natural weight (200lbs), I'm not a "big" guy either. I'm only 5'8 or so. Once I get my weight down, Nate will be a bigger guy then I am. I don't see why at his size (he's pretty strong too, he doesn't give himself enough credit) I don't see why he would be complaining about weight differences. Anyone he gets into a fight with on the street, is going to be bigger than him, it's something he needs to learn to deal with, otherwise BJJ isn't going to help him at all.

I certainly don't think Drysdale is a "big" guy either, maybe I've just been rolling with huge monsters for too long now. lol. I'll find out soon when I go out there in Febuary to see my brother. While I'm there I'm planning a couple of drop in's and a private with him.

The guy I fought at NAGA, that was a freak accident. Even though he was 6'3 @ 369lbs lol, had I not hurt my knee I could have handled him still I think. Hurting my knee has actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise because it's really made me concentrate on very detailed technique work and working my guard.

JMO's is all. Thanks for joining the conversation finally though. I do enjoy them alot with other BJJ guys.

How many street fights do you get in to? You sure do bring up street fighting a lot for somebody in martial arts. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just curious. Do you walk around being a douche to people because of your BJJ?

[DON SVO]

How many street fights do you get in to? You sure do bring up street fighting a lot for somebody in martial arts. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just curious. Do you walk around being a douche to people because of your BJJ?

He's had his share. The "fat computer nerd" Steve would rather put his shin upside your head than grapple on the street.

[Steve]

How many street fights do you get in to? You sure do bring up street fighting a lot for somebody in martial arts. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just curious. Do you walk around being a douche to people because of your BJJ?

I've been pursuing this all of my life, it's a personal obsession is all. You'd have to train with me to understand. It's not about violence, it's about getting close to doing something great at a higher level than most practioners. It's about being efficient and having complete understanding, doing it at the highest level you are capable of personally. The violence is just a byproduct. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

[Stunter Bob]

I've been pursuing this all of my life, it's a personal obsession is all. You'd have to train with me to understand. It's not about violence, it's about getting close to doing something great at a higher level than most practioners. It's about being efficient and having complete understanding, doing it at the highest level you are capable of personally. The violence is just a byproduct. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

I grunt when I poop too! So what

[Steve]

He's had his share. The "fat computer nerd" Steve would rather put his shin upside your head than grapple on the street.

This is true. I've had my share for sure. Something about the way I look, people find it difficult to believe and tend to want to test themselves and myself. I'm an example of why people shouldn't buy into stereotypes. My natural camoflauge has worked for me alot of times, but it also works against me alot because I don't look like a toughguy, but rather the Gerber baby. lol.

[jdgregory84]

I've been pursuing this all of my life, it's a personal obsession is all. You'd have to train with me to understand. It's not about violence, it's about getting close to doing something great at a higher level than most practioners. It's about being efficient and having complete understanding, doing it at the highest level you are capable of personally. The violence is just a byproduct. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

I think we're on different pages. Are you talking about setting up a fight with somebody somewhere? To me a street fight is a fight that happens at random because there's a disagreement. I have it in my head that you go pick fights with random people. If that's not the case, then I apologize, that's just how I've always defined a "street fight."

[Steve]

I think we're on different pages. Are you talking about setting up a fight with somebody somewhere? To me a street fight is a fight that happens at random because there's a disagreement. I have it in my head that you go pick fights with random people. If that's not the case, then I apologize, that's just how I've always defined a "street fight."

Ideally, I've always trained for street confrontations. But you can't train against random people in the street all the time picking fights with random dudes for practice. Jail sucks lol.

Of course I don't pick fights with random people, thats silly. I've always trained in gyms/schools against other martial artists and street fighters. I've had alot of "challenge matches" against all sorts of people that I've had setup in a safer location, to me, that is fun and a test of myself rather than just a fight to beat some dude up.

I was born and raised in West Los Angeles at the high point of street gangs in the 80s/90's. I got ALOT of practice in street fights being the only white kid in the neighborhood and not gangbanging. It was entertainment for them to see the scrappy white kid not back down from a bunch of thugs, after awhile they even respected me for it. I was exposed to martial arts and found out I was good at it, so it became an obessesion for me. There was no sense in me training for some ring fight when that wasn't the way I was going need the training most often.

After that, I've trained in just about any martial art you can think of trying to find what works and fits for me and what doesn't. We've all got our passions ( at least I hope you do) mine just happens to be one that is scary or strange for most people to understand.

I'm not your typical martial artist who practices one art for some paticular time to learn a little self defense, I take it much further than that.

[jdgregory84]

Ideally, I've always trained for street confrontations. But you can't train against random people in the street all the time picking fights with random dudes for practice. Jail sucks lol.

Of course I don't pick fights with random people, thats silly. I've always trained in gyms/schools against other martial artists and street fighters. I've had alot of "challenge matches" against all sorts of people that I've had setup in a safer location, to me, that is fun and a test of myself rather than just a fight to beat some dude up.

I was born and raised in West Los Angeles at the high point of street gangs in the 80s/90's. I got ALOT of practice in street fights being the only white kid in the neighborhood and not gangbanging. It was entertainment for them to see the scrappy white kid not back down from a bunch of thugs, after awhile they even respected me for it. I was exposed to martial arts and found out I was good at it, so it became an obessesion for me. There was no sense in me training for some ring fight when that wasn't the way I was going need the training most often.

After that, I've trained in just about any martial art you can think of trying to find what works and fits for me and what doesn't. We've all got our passions ( at least I hope you do) mine just happens to be one that is scary or strange for most people to understand.

Ok, well knowing a little more about your background makes it a little more understandable to me. Keep on keepin' on, man.

[Nate]

I don't train Bjj for self defense. I train for the workout, the friends I have made, and the sporting aspect.

If I was that worried about self defense I would do more wind sprints and have my chl. But that's just my opinion.