These iceholes have violated others fargen rights!

[racrguy]

Why do people keep spreading this misinformation?

Most people aren't too smart, and don't know what the fuck they're talking about. As evidenced by that post.

[Forever_frost]

You aren't as Constitutionally aware as you think you are. You need to do more research.

Then show me where it states that a state cannot decide who to give a license to. Any license. If a state can issue it, it can decide the requirements.

Or do you disagree with the fact that there are requirements and fees to get a marriage license?

[LANTIRN]

Then show me where it states that a state cannot decide who to give a license to. Any license. If a state can issue it, it can decide the requirements.

Or do you disagree with the fact that there are requirements and fees to get a marriage license?

I think you need to go back and read the Ninth amendment.

[Forever_frost]

I think you need to go back and read the Ninth amendment.

I've read it. Marriage is not a right as there are limitations fees and regulations on who can be married and what married means. The bill of rights does not contain all the rights of a person, but a right is something you can engage in without someone giving it to you. Which is why healthcare isn't a right. It's a privilege.

Marriage is regulated by the state and each has it's own requirements as to who can and can't get married. For instance, the requirement in Arkansas is very different than New York which is different than Alaska.

Now, should you want a civil union? Knock yourself out. Marriage is a religious ceremony. And if you want to open up same sex marriages, then you have to do one simple thing. Remove all government from it. All benefits and penalties, take government completely out. You do that, marry whomever you want.

I'm also all for polygamous civil unions.

[Broncojohnny]

I really don't care for the idea of homos calling themselves "married". It is against the idea of marriage in the traditional religious sense. And I know a few homos that are perfectly fine people.

The bigger issue here that many of you are missing is the problem of big government. Government loves to create problems it gets to solve. Specifically government over the years has made "married" a legal status for all sorts of things. Why they did that I have no idea. Now being married isn't just a religious condition but a legal state. And we need government to help us out of the position that it created.

So do gay people have the right to be married in a legal sense, because taxes, insurance and estate planning and all sorts of shit now depends on it (thanks to government)? Yes they do, without a doubt. Do they have any sort of right to it in a religious sense of the word? Fuck no

If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame government. They need to get out of our lives.

[racrguy]

I've read it. Marriage is not a right as there are limitations fees and regulations on who can be married and what married means. The bill of rights does not contain all the rights of a person, but a right is something you can engage in without someone giving it to you. Which is why healthcare isn't a right. It's a privilege.

Marriage is regulated by the state and each has it's own requirements as to who can and can't get married. For instance, the requirement in Arkansas is very different than New York which is different than Alaska.

Now, should you want a civil union? Knock yourself out. Marriage is a religious ceremony. And if you want to open up same sex marriages, then you have to do one simple thing. Remove all government from it. All benefits and penalties, take government completely out. You do that, marry whomever you want.

I'm also all for polygamous civil unions.

You've been told how this is wrong, yet you ignore it. Shut the fuck up with it already.

Also:

.... certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ....

[YALE]

Perhaps you can point out where I can find this in any of our founding documents.


And like it or not, the states have the power to do this. It's within their constitutional authority, done properly and legally by a legislature voted into office. They passed the necessary hurdle to make it a constitutional amendment so they are completely justified in doing it.

Trying to compare this (an action that you choose to engage in) to segregation and racism (can't choose your race and two people of opposite races but opposite sexes is still within the natural order of things) is pretty much a fallacious comparison. And, if you don't like it, you are free to leave the state to another that you agree with. That's the thing about a Republic. You dont' like how one state is run? Go to another.

You do realize that freedom of religion works both ways, right? If you're free to worship as you choose, I'm free to ignore your faith of choice, and any bearing it may have on my personal life. If it isn't compulsory, they can't tell me what to do.

[LANTIRN]

Frost, I am on my cell and cant get my quote function to work, but i find it hypocritical that you call marriage a religious institution and then say government should be regulating that institution. Is that not what our forefathers left europe to avoid?

And I do not think you understand the ninth amendment. Just because marriage is not defined as a right in the constitution does not mean that right does not exist, and it sure as hell does not give you the authority to take that right away from others. 50 years ago it was pricks like you trying prevent people like myself from marrying who they wanted (I am white and my wife is Asian).

[Forever_frost]

You've been told how this is wrong, yet you ignore it. Shut the fuck up with it already.

Also:

No, I've been told how you think it's wrong. It is a religious ceremony. And the right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness cannot require the labor of someone else. If you think you have the right to marriage, go try to marry someone using your own authority. You can't. Hell, if you're not licensed to marry someone and you do it anyway, the marriage isn't legal.

You want gays to have the 'right' to get married? Remove the authority to define marriage from government. Otherwise, in your succinct words, "Shut the fuck up with it already."

[Forever_frost]

You do realize that freedom of religion works both ways, right? If you're free to worship as you choose, I'm free to ignore your faith of choice, and any bearing it may have on my personal life. If it isn't compulsory, they can't tell me what to do.

Yes, I realize that. However there is no separation of church and state. It's not there. You have the freedom OF religion, not from it.

[crapstang]

If I ever catch you on the road I'm going to pull you over and violate as many rights as I can. And there won't be a thing you can do about it. Whoop whooooop!

kinda weird. Its ok to violate some rights but you get mad when fagmarriage is banned?

[racrguy]

kinda weird. Its ok to violate some rights but you get mad when fagmarriage is banned?

Holy fuck. LMMFAO!

[Forever_frost]

Frost, I am on my cell and cant get my quote function to work, but i find it hypocritical that you call marriage a religious institution and then say government should be regulating that institution. Is that not what our forefathers left europe to avoid?

And I do not think you understand the ninth amendment. Just because marriage is not defined as a right in the constitution does not mean that right does not exist, and it sure as hell does not give you the authority to take that right away from others. 50 years ago it was pricks like you trying prevent people like myself from marrying who they wanted (I am white and my wife is Asian).

It is a religious institution Lantirn. One that requires licensing from the state. Just like you can't call yourself a priest or a preacher without meeting state licensing requirements.

I do understand the 9th amendment. Explain to me how you can have a right that requires someone else to approve it. The state currently has the power to decide who is and who isn't licensed to be married, what those requirements are.

Pricks like me? You do know my wife is Pacific Islander right? As I said and will repeat again. You can have any civil union between any consenting party you choose. Six men and a sheep? Go for it. 4 women and 2 guys? Game on. However if you truly want that authority, take it back from the government and tell every level of government that they cannot decide who and what marriage is.

That simple. As it stands, NC has the authority. You don't like it? Take the power back.

[YALE]

Yes, I realize that. However there is no separation of church and state. It's not there. You have the freedom OF religion, not from it.

You want me to break that down for you? I'm free to worship as I see fit. I see fit not to worship, so I don't. No one else can tell me what to worship, or compel me to follow their religion's code of conduct. Shall I continue?

It is a religious institution Lantirn.

Does that mean it can't possibly exist outside of a religion? Couldn't it also be a social custom? What if the religion in question allows gay marriage? Shouldn't a governing body attempting to regulate an act make appropriate allowances for as many eventualities as reasonably possible?

[Forever_frost]

You want me to break that down for you? I'm free to worship as I see fit. I see fit not to worship, so I don't. No one else can tell me what to worship, or compel me to follow their religion's code of conduct. Shall I continue?

Not at all. I'm pointing out your exercise of religion is a lack of one. Nothing wrong with that. However you are not protected from the family across the street putting up a Nativity scene