These iceholes have violated others fargen rights!

[Forever_frost]

14th amendment doesn't apply as no one is being denied a right. Marriage is a religious institution with some legal ramications. It'd be like saying everyone who wants one must be permitted a Bar Mitzvah.

And the marriage laws have ALWAYS pertained to some and not others. Or are you saying there are no laws on who can and can't get married in every state in the union?

[46Tbird]

This is one of the times I agree with the "liberal" viewpoint. There should not be any interference from state or federal government in how two adult humans choose to represent their relationship.

I'm glad this has come up. It takes an unconstitutional state law or judicial stance before the Supreme Court will do anything about it. But of course, debate will be ongoing, just like Roe v Wade.

I feel like we're just being childish when "dealing" with problems like this, when this country is full to the brim with real problems we should focus our energies on.

[racrguy]

What injustice? The state executed it's constitutionally protected right and came up with a law that fits within it's powers. I have to keep my trap shut on New York's gun ban but that's an exercise of their 10th amendment right to regulate guns in their state and this is the state of NC to exercise who they will recognize as married in their state.

10th amendment. You don't have to like every exercise of it, but you do have to respect that it's entirely legal.

What about the 14th amendment of the US constitution? Why do the marriage laws apply to some people but not others? You were arguing exactly this point on on the "hate crimes" topic.

Wrong, the constitution recognizes their right to vote, thus it exists. Marriage is not a right same as health care isn't. You require others to exercise it.

People still have to fill out forms and it has to be approved. All that requires the aid of someone else. Care to try again?

[Forever_frost]

They don't have a right to vote, which is why you have to go to government to get it, have to fill out forms and then go to someone else to get it approved. A right is something you can exercise without the aid of someone else.


I changed 3 words.

Wrong, the constitution recognizes their right to vote, thus it exists. Marriage is not a right same as health care isn't. You require others to exercise it.

[Forever_frost]

Here we are, faced with another situation where you agree with the injustice because you agree with the issue.

What injustice? The state executed it's constitutionally protected right and came up with a law that fits within it's powers. I have to keep my trap shut on New York's gun ban but that's an exercise of their 10th amendment right to regulate guns in their state and this is the state of NC to exercise who they will recognize as married in their state.

10th amendment. You don't have to like every exercise of it, but you do have to respect that it's entirely legal.

[racrguy]

You do not have a right to education. You also do not have a right to have your school subsidized by taxpayers. It IS a woman's right to vote, there's a constitutional amendment for that. Want to keep going?

They don't have a right to vote, which is why you have to go to government to get it, have to fill out forms and then go to someone else to get it approved. A right is something you can exercise without the aid of someone else.


I changed 3 words.

[Forever_frost]

It's a black persons right to go to school and sit next to a white kid. It's a womans right to vote. Your equivocation is incorrect.

You do not have a right to education. You also do not have a right to have your school subsidized by taxpayers. It IS a woman's right to vote, there's a constitutional amendment for that. Want to keep going?

[racrguy]

They don't have a right to be married, which is why you have to go to government to get it, have to fill out forms and then go to someone else to get it approved. A right is something you can exercise without the aid of someone else.

It's a black persons right to go to school and sit next to a white kid. It's a womans right to vote. Your equivocation is incorrect.

Completely different, we have a constitutional amendment preventing that. That means states decided to give up the power to decide the issue to the federal government. Not a single state has given up the power to declare marriages to the federal government and thus, the federal government should keep their yaps shut on the issue.

This is a proper exercise of the 10th amendment. If someone doesn't like the amendment, they are free not to live there. That's the kicker, choice.

Here we are, faced with another situation where you agree with the injustice because you agree with the issue.

[Forever_frost]

Geez, maybe they should vote to reinstate segregation...

Completely different, we have a constitutional amendment preventing that. That means states decided to give up the power to decide the issue to the federal government. Not a single state has given up the power to declare marriages to the federal government and thus, the federal government should keep their yaps shut on the issue.

This is a proper exercise of the 10th amendment. If someone doesn't like the amendment, they are free not to live there. That's the kicker, choice.

[Forever_frost]

It's nobody's right to deny the rights of others.

They don't have a right to be married, which is why you have to go to government to get it, have to fill out forms and then go to someone else to get it approved. A right is something you can exercise without the aid of someone else.

[racrguy]

Geez, maybe they should vote to reinstate segregation...

Welcome to the regression of society. The far right were worried about society going down the drain, here it is, and it's at their feet as well.

[Treasure Chest]

Geez, maybe they should vote to reinstate segregation...

[racrguy]

Good on them. 10th amendment in action

It's nobody's right to deny the rights of others.

[Forever_frost]

Good on them. 10th amendment in action

[Treasure Chest]

But it's okay to marry your first cousin.....as long as its not your gay first cousin.