Washington named Britains all time greatest adversary

[SS Junk]

lol, no. To all of that.

They were all alien loving liberal athiests? God was not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence? Is not mentioned in our Pledge of Allegiance? Is not on our currency? I am not sure what exactly you are trying to prove, but you can keep trying if you like...

Which Christian beliefs - don't steal? Don't murder? Live free and be happy?

Absolutely. I take it you think US Govt. back then was just as corrupt as it is now?

That last part isn't a christian belief, you've got to be a serf according to them.

Always the ones who have no affiliation with Christianity or the Bible who deem themselves the experts. Seems all you do is bitch with no proof.

[Nash B.]

The belief that stealing and murdering are bad isn't a Christian belief; it's a belief that Christians share with most non-Christians.

[racrguy]

They were all alien loving liberal athiests? God was not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence? Is not mentioned in our Pledge of Allegiance? Is not on our currency? I am not sure what exactly you are trying to prove, but you can keep trying if you like...

You do know that "Under god" in the pledge and "In god we trust" were added in 1954 and 1956 respectively, right? The original US motto is E pluribus unum, which means "Of many, one."

Fucking learn history, idiot.

Always the ones who have no affiliation with Christianity or the Bible who deem themselves the experts. Seems all you do is bitch with no proof.

Clearly you aren't an expert on, well, anything. Seems all you do is assert bullshit with no proof, and no understanding of how certain things came to be.

Edit: And do you know why "In god we trust" is still on money? Rote repetition. The SCOTUS says that the phrase "In god we trust" is meaningless due to rote repetition.

[Moose242]

The fact remains Washington and our Forefathers were all reportedly devout Christians and nation was built upon Christian beliefs.

You are wrong.


Source:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qq2eoGdnHsYC&pg=PA339&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KneBT7-CNsL98gO-5YWfAg&ved=0CKYBEOgBMBM#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/gw/gwmoral.html

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-Ww3fYhIZ_YC&pg=PA156&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KneBT7-CNsL98gO-5YWfAg&ved=0CIgBEOgBMA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Oh, and as for the Founding Fathers Being Christians, you are also wrong.

Jefferson-

http://www.adherents.com/people/pj/Thomas_Jefferson.html

http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/jefferson

Monroe-

http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2003/autumn/holmes-religion-james-monroe/

Franklin-
His fucking autobiography
Franklin, Benjamin (1771 (1958)). Autobiography and other writings. Cambridge: Riverside. p. 52.


Madison-

http://www.adherents.com/people/pm/James_Madison.html

http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/spring09/deism.cfm

Were some of them Christian? Sure, Hamilton is a good example. But while many if not most of the founding fathers believed in a divine being, they were not Christians.

I knew being an American History major would pay off at some point. Shame it had to be debating some uninformed bible beater on the internet.

[racrguy]

You are wrong.


Source:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qq2eoGdnHsYC&pg=PA339&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KneBT7-CNsL98gO-5YWfAg&ved=0CKYBEOgBMBM#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/gw/gwmoral.html

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-Ww3fYhIZ_YC&pg=PA156&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KneBT7-CNsL98gO-5YWfAg&ved=0CIgBEOgBMA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Oh, and as for the Founding Fathers Being Christians, you are also wrong.

Jefferson-

http://www.adherents.com/people/pj/Thomas_Jefferson.html

http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/jefferson

Monroe-

http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2003/autumn/holmes-religion-james-monroe/

Franklin-
His fucking autobiography
Franklin, Benjamin (1771 (1958)). Autobiography and other writings. Cambridge: Riverside. p. 52.


Madison-

http://www.adherents.com/people/pm/James_Madison.html

http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/spring09/deism.cfm

Were some of them Christian? Sure, Hamilton is a good example. But while many if not most of the founding fathers believed in a divine being, they were not Christians.

I knew being an American History major would pay off at some point. Shame it had to be debating some uninformed bible beater on the internet.

You put far more effort into this post than he is worthy of. Just sayin'.

[mstng86]

You put far more effort into this post than he is worthy of. Just sayin'.

Leave the history major alone. He needs his moment in the sun every now and then.

[Ratt]

Leave the history major alone. He needs his moment in the sun every now and then.

This.

[Moose242]

Leave the history major alone. He needs his moment in the sun every now and then.

I derive great pleasure in correcting the falsely informed. Combine that with my love of History and contempt for Christian ignorance and I'll run with it.

[Silverback]

But, Jesus was Merican!

[Ratt]

But, Jesus was Merican!

Jesus probably looked like Osama Bin Laden.

[Silverback]

Jesus probably looked like Osama Bin Laden.

nah, probably much more like the Zohan. Israelis aren't as dark and their hair as rough

[SS Junk]

You do know that "Under god" in the pledge and "In god we trust" were added in 1954 and 1956 respectively, right? The original US motto is E pluribus unum, which means "Of many, one."

Fucking learn history, idiot.

You aren't all there as usual. The point is God and religion were a part of US government since the beginning whether you want to believe it or not. I am still waiting for you to "run with this one." So far you haven't said squat other than to show how butt hurt you can be when God is mentioned.

You are wrong.

http://chiefofleast.com/2011/07/03/all-of-the-founding-fathers-were-agnostics-and-deists/

There. Your internet articles that all say the same thing and here's mine.

I'm no Bible thumper. How you deal with God is your business.
Weren't you the one I read about in some thread where you were stating you had all sorts of classified information and had the upper hand on some scandal awhile ago? If so, you might as well just post up the Loose Change documentary and call it legit.

[Moose242]

http://chiefofleast.com/2011/07/03/all-of-the-founding-fathers-were-agnostics-and-deists/

There. Your internet articles that all say the same thing and here's mine.

I'm no Bible thumper. How you deal with God is your business.
Weren't you the one I read about in some thread where you were stating you had all sorts of classified information and had the upper hand on some scandal awhile ago? If so, you might as well just post up the Loose Change documentary and call it legit.

"Address:

http://chiefofleast.com/2011/07/03/all-of-the-founding-fathers-were-agnostics-and-deists/

Trend Micro has confirmed that this website can transmit malicious software or has been involved in online scams or fraud."

Hmm, can't check your link. As for classified information, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

[SS Junk]

"Address:

http://chiefofleast.com/2011/07/03/all-of-the-founding-fathers-were-agnostics-and-deists/

Trend Micro has confirmed that this website can transmit malicious software or has been involved in online scams or fraud."

Hmm, can't check your link. As for classified information, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Trend Micro sucks balls.

“All Of the Founding Fathers Were Agnostics And Deists!”
This entry was posted on July 3, 2011, in Education, Politics, Random and tagged Christianity, Declaration of Independence, Founding Fathers, Independence Day, July 4th, Religion. Bookmark the permalink. 29 Comments

In case you’re wondering what the fireworks, parades and cookout clamor is all about this time of year, let me give you a one sentence history lesson on July 4th: Independence Day is when Americans (winning!) celebrate the adoption of the Declaration of Independence that happened on July 4, 1776, which declared American Colonial independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain.

I’m thankful the founding fathers had the backbone to stand up to the bloody Motherland and sign that Revolutionary document of epic proportions. Otherwise we’d all be sporting bad teeth and eating crappy food right now; Or even worse, obsessed with the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton.

There is another legacy I am thankful the FF left behind too. This one is to the chagrin of strange secular e-scholars armed with gobs of misinformation. If you do a tertiary Google search of the “Founding Fathers Religion” you just might walk away with an overwhelming impression that America was founded on Deism and Agnosticism.

As my scorned Brit counterparts may say in a classic Monty Python tone: “Rubbish!”

Now, I know some wiggle room may be needed when throwing around absolutes about the personal religious belief’s of dudes who lived 250 years ago. Given there are some minor conflicting reports on a handful of the signers, a + or - 2 point margin of error may be due. But the signers were highly literate public figures who wrote a lot, whether it be letters or articles. In addition to church records, their own words take the guesswork out of discerning where most all of them stood whether politically or religiously.

So here is the specific religious persuasion of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. Scope out this snazzy table I jacked from Adherents.com:
Episcopalian/Anglican 32 57.1%
Congregationalist 13 23.2%
Presbyterian 12 21.4%
Quaker 2 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist 2 3.6%
Catholic 1 1.8%
TOTAL 56 100%

The FF’s religion simply mirrored that of American religious life. A compelling case could be made that the FF’s were actually more denominationally affiliated than the average citizen of the day.

Out of the 56 signers, only two were the overtly unorthodox ”Unitarian/Universalist”: John Adams and Robert Paine (both came from a Congregationalist background). The table does fail to distinguish two notable Episcopalian-affiliated FF’s from the rest (I would have put them in a different category). Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were both Deists. Though both subscribed to a Creator, they also posited God was as an absentee Father in their day in age.

So when adding it up in the most liberal way possible, there were a total of FOUR signers of the DoI who would not be considered “bible-believing” Christians in the most fundamental classical sense.

4 out of 56. A total of 7 % were not orthodox Christians. Or to put it positively, 93 % of the signers of the DoI were orthodox bible believing Christians. In fact, four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen. A large percentage graduated from Ivy League seminaries, back when Ivy League Seminaries churned out missionaries with a high view of Scripture.

Signer John Witherspoon, the President of Princeton University and Presbyterian minister, said:

It is the man of piety and inward principle, that we may expect to find the uncorrupted patriot, the useful citizen, and the invincible soldier. – God grant that in America true religion and civil liberty may be inseperable and that the unjust attempts to destroy the one, may in the issue tend to the support and establishment of both.

Hmmm. Sounds like the founders had a much more nuanced view of that “impenetrable wall between church and state” than contemporary secular apologists suggest. Contemporary historical expert on the matter, Robert G. Ferris, writes:

The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin. The eight foreign-born… were all natives of the British Isles. Except for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism. For the most part basically political nonextremists, many at first had hesitated at separation let alone rebellion.

Now I know some of the founders (especially the unorthodox ones) had some disparaging remarks about institutionalized religion. They were not far removed from the abuses and persecutions of a British state religion after all. That is the primary reason the DoI has a strong non-denominational appeal to it. Though largely all Protestant, the signers were wise enough to see the folly and corruption that followed a virtual Theocratic state.

That is the genius of their “government by the people,” instead of by the King or political elite. Most every FF believed in the sinfulness of all men, even (especially?) those untouchable men crowned with great authority.

So I am thankful for the Christian heritage of America’s Founding Fathers. By no means do I believe they intended to establish an expressly “Christian nation” with no regard to other worldviews. But a majority were clearly men of Christian conviction and conscience, with a deep reverence for the sovereign God revealed in Scripture.

The founding fathers were not all agnostics or deists. Any modern theory that leans on such blatant historical revisionism is, well…rubbish.

Bryan Daniels

[racrguy]

You aren't all there as usual. The point is God and religion were a part of US government since the beginning whether you want to believe it or not. I am still waiting for you to "run with this one." So far you haven't said squat other than to show how butt hurt you can be when God is mentioned.

Yet those same founding fathers, in the constitution, only mention religion in order to limit it. Look at you, talking out of your ass because you've got no clue what you're talking about. I imagine if knowledge was a baseball bat, Broncojohnny and crew would've missed you every time. Alas it seems they've merely beaten you more stupid than you already were.