So Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder.

[sc281]

Right. They make her look like she's accomplished the qualifications for the medals on her chest. She didn't. She wore them to claim honor and achievements she did not earn. Stolen Valor.

And Matt, the police departments can't just hand out DoD medals because they look pretty. Do you honestly think that anyone would stand for a cop wearing a MOH ribbon or a purple heart ribbon or a bronze star ribbon? Those medals have meaning. Those ribbons have meaning. She's a fucktard who is trying to look good on the stand hoping that people just see pretty pretty instead of knowing what they actually are.

Christ....

This isn't that hard to understand.

She earned medals from her Dept. The Dept issued her the medals. They happened to be old world war 2 medals. How is that her fault and stolen valor?

Did she pin the medals saying "Oh, this is my medal of honor"? No.
Did the Dept say she could have a medal and to go pick out anyone she wanted, and then pick that one? No.
Did she earn a medal from her Dept, and the Dept happened to give her those because they didn't want to pay a trophy shop $50 to make new ones? Yes.

Be mad a the PD for being a bunch of idiots, and I hope their leadership are shamed into resigning because of it. Don't be mad at the officer wearing her dept issued medal to court.

[racrguy]

Christ....

This isn't that hard to understand.

She earned medals from her Dept. The Dept issued her the medals. They happened to be old world war 2 medals. How is that her fault and stolen valor?

Did she pin the medals saying "Oh, this is my medal of honor"? No.
Did the Dept say she could have a medal and to go pick out anyone she wanted, and then pick that one? No.
Did she earn a medal from her Dept, and the Dept happened to give her those because they didn't want to pay a trophy shop $50 to make new ones? Yes.

Be mad a the PD for being a bunch of idiots. Don't be mad at the officer wearing her dept issued medal to court.

Get the fuck out of here with that. There's no place for that kind of thing around here. Everything is stolen valor!

[dcs13]

Frost, I get what your saying, but to simplify it and hopefully make Dudley Do Right get it, leave stolen valor out of it for just a minute. The point is, the department blatantly took an OFFICIAL AWARD for another organization and used it as their own -- for a one time basis -- to establish credibility. The fact that it's stolen valor is irrelevant to that fact. It's just a multiplier on the weight of the 'crime' IMO.

It's not a ONE TIME basis. That department has adopted (right or wrong) the military bars to issue to their officers for various awards (life saving,community service,medal of valor,etc...) Once issued, they are part of the Class A Unifrom. Some agencies require their officers wear a Class A uniform or a suit to court. So, if in Class A attire, the officer is "out of unioform" if not wearing their issued medals.
The fact that podunk Sanford PD is too cheap or unprofessional and chose the military medals does not make it their "intent" to deceive or steal valor.

[Broncojohnny]

So it would be perfectly acceptable if these clowns showed up wearing perhaps a Knights Cross of the Iron Cross for getting a cat out of a tree?

No you say? Because medals have meaning? I find it terribly amusing that American police officers want to play dress up and act like they are in the military right up to the point where it doesn't benefit them any longer, then say fuck it!

[juiceweezl]

It's not a ONE TIME basis. That department has adopted (right or wrong) the military bars to issue to their officers for various awards (life saving,community service,medal of valor,etc...) Once issued, they are part of the Class A Unifrom. Some agencies require their officers wear a Class A uniform or a suit to court. So, if in Class A attire, the officer is "out of unioform" if not wearing their issued medals.
The fact that podunk Sanford PD is too cheap or unprofessional and chose the military medals does not make it their "intent" to deceive or steal valor.

Wait? It's not a one time basis but they don't have medals/ribbons to distribute to those receiving the honor??? That department hasn't adopted crap -- THEY DON'T HAVE AN AWARD! Get out of here with the BS.

[dcs13]

Wait? It's not a one time basis but they don't have medals/ribbons to distribute to those receiving the honor??? That department hasn't adopted crap -- THEY DON'T HAVE AN AWARD! Get out of here with the BS.

All departments have awards, and they are not standardized like the Military.

Posted from a Military Blog....
Workman got a hold of them (Sanford PD) and said they told him they didn’t have their own awards system, so they went to the Army-Navy store around the corner and picked out Defense Department military ribbons to fit their own format. The WWII was selected, the police department official told Workman, because they knew there weren’t many veterans from that period alive so they didn’t think people would notice.

They used SURPLUS to "Fit their own format"... They took the cheap way out and adapted surplus to their "format"... Maybe it would be a good idea to hand a standard format among civilian police. Apparently it hasn't been that big of a deal until now...Or it seems like a big deal to some people...

[CexMashean]

I keep coming here for trial info, but instead see twisted faggot panties bitching about medals/awards.

[03trubluGT]

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

It's in the small print.

[03trubluGT]

I keep coming here for trial info, but instead see twisted faggot panties bitching about medals/awards.

I was able to watch the medical examiner's rep (who didn't do the autopsy) minimize Zimmerman's injuries. It was like she had been coached on making them sound insignificant.

[03trubluGT]

Right. They make her look like she's accomplished the qualifications for the medals on her chest. She didn't. She wore them to claim honor and achievements she did not earn. Stolen Valor.

And Matt, the police departments can't just hand out DoD medals because they look pretty. Do you honestly think that anyone would stand for a cop wearing a MOH ribbon or a purple heart ribbon or a bronze star ribbon? Those medals have meaning. Those ribbons have meaning. She's a fucktard who is trying to look good on the stand hoping that people just see pretty pretty instead of knowing what they actually are.

Okay, I'm going to jump in here. Sometimes I try to look past what you post and go with your just trying to get Eric up in arms. This is different. Let's see how this could have (i.e. should have ) gone down for the PD in question.

1) Officer that will testify has been awarded an honor but there is no medal or ribbon to recognize the honor. They wish to make sure the officer has something to place on the uniform to show that honor. Why? We can only assume to establish credibility for the officer testifying. Nothing else makes sense as they would have decided upon ribbons/medals before this point.

2) That leaves the department with a few choices. They can go online, to a trophy shop locally, to a store like Mardel or Hobby Lobby, or go to a local military surplus or pawn shop and find a suitable ribbon set or medal. Most logical people would go to the web, a trophy/award shop, or arts and craft store. These morons went to a store knowing good and damn well whatever they picked up there would be both a) practically impossible to obtain more awards like it to present to other officers receiving the same recognition; and b) an outright copy and thus misuse of a real, bona fide, earned with blood and sweat, military award.

There is no way anyone can logically reason out and defend the actions of the Sanford PD in this case. They're wrong, plain and simple. Carry on.

I understand what you guys are saying, but I'm just not as passionately against it. Sure, the perfect thing would be to form an awards committee, make a decision on how to format ribbons/medals, and then procure them at taxpayer expense. Throw another financial cost the taxpayer way.

Or, adopt an established ribbon at a reasonable cost and use it to mean something else instead of whatever the military uses it for.

You guys make it sound like they went out the night before and made something up for this trial, instead of this is how it's been done for a while.

[Forever_frost]

So what you're saying Matt is if I go out and buy a MOH, decide that I want it to mean "I made an A on my test" and wear it to court while giving testimony it shouldn't be held against me because, well it looked pretty and there aren't a lot of people who have them and I was saving money, right? I'm not actually trying to say I earned a medal of honor and the fact that is what that medal means is pointless because I say it's a medal for good grades.

[stevo]

So what you're saying Matt is if I go out and buy a MOH, decide that I want it to mean "I made an A on my test" and wear it to court while giving testimony it shouldn't be held against me because, well it looked pretty and there aren't a lot of people who have them and I was saving money, right? I'm not actually trying to say I earned a medal of honor and the fact that is what that medal means is pointless because I say it's a medal for good grades.

No, it is only okay if the police do it.

Stevo

[CexMashean]

Could you guys go start your own thread about this worthless medal topic crap?

[Forever_frost]

Could you guys go start your own thread about this worthless medal topic crap?

It's relevant as it pertains to the credibility of the police department in question and the officer giving the statements

[jakesford]

Could you guys go start your own thread about this worthless medal topic crap?

What get out of here with that logic...